Page 17 | I couldn’t sleep last night, worrying about a Reform government

MiloMinderbinder925 · 01/08/2025 16:37

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 16:35

Well, if that describes your definition of British then that explains a lot.

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No silly, I was giving the Reform version of British. True patriots.

Radioundermypillow · 01/08/2025 16:37

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 16:35

Well, if that describes your definition of British then that explains a lot.

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What is yours?

VilleValo · 01/08/2025 16:41

You are right to be worried OP - Labour are handing voters over to Reform by the armful.

I think a better question at this stage is 'Why are Labour doing such a terrible job?'

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 16:45

Just citizenship to the country and a general investment in the land, environment and the people who live here. Not people cloaked in flags who make their protests about immigration outside of migrant hotels.

skymagentatwo · 01/08/2025 16:46

Goldenbear · 01/08/2025 16:23

It was me who said you are chatting shit TBF because you are.

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Well if you cannot have a discussion without resorting to insults then you have lost the discussion. By the way you still have not provided a description of reform voters.

To quote you "they have a look and sound like Reform voters", you might claim i talk shit but you yourself still have failed to prove your own point.

I`m sure many of us are still awaiting your reply to this question, after all if you don't have enough integrity to back up your own claim then why should any one listen to you?

skymagentatwo · 01/08/2025 16:49

Goldenbear · 01/08/2025 16:25

Reform voters aren't 'everyday' are they, news to me!

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So again add this to the list of question to you to answer, How are they not everyday people?

Lets face it your integrity on here now depends on you proving you just not here to throw insults and shut down those who have opposing views. Your entire posting on this thread depends on these answers 🤔.

Shedmistress · 01/08/2025 16:51

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 16:45

Just citizenship to the country and a general investment in the land, environment and the people who live here. Not people cloaked in flags who make their protests about immigration outside of migrant hotels.

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Where is the nearest migrant hotel to your house? As the crow flies?

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 16:52

Various polls have had voting intention for reform of more than 30% ...surely people don't think they're all draped in flags and...saying, 'innit'.

abracadabra1980 · 01/08/2025 16:52

LoveItaly · 01/08/2025 09:17

I wouldn’t worry about Reform wrecking the economy. Given the speed that Labour are wrecking it there won’t be much left of it anyway.

Agree 100%. At least Nigel has a finance background - none of the current cabinet have even owned a business. THAT is frightening.

Radioundermypillow · 01/08/2025 16:53

I must say I am snobby and annoyed about all the Turkish barbers and vape shops and candy stores with zero customers that take cash only. Why aren't they investigated?

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 16:53

Shedmistress · 01/08/2025 16:51

Where is the nearest migrant hotel to your house? As the crow flies?

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I have no idea. But then I'm a Tory voter married to an immigrant before you get ahead of yourself. And I'm not C2 or DE.

EasternStandard · 01/08/2025 16:57

skymagentatwo · 01/08/2025 16:46

Well if you cannot have a discussion without resorting to insults then you have lost the discussion. By the way you still have not provided a description of reform voters.

To quote you "they have a look and sound like Reform voters", you might claim i talk shit but you yourself still have failed to prove your own point.

I`m sure many of us are still awaiting your reply to this question, after all if you don't have enough integrity to back up your own claim then why should any one listen to you?

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What is this ‘chatting shit’ from the pp, doesn’t sound very Labour like. And agree no answer.

Jennps · 01/08/2025 16:57

SilenceOfTheTimTams · 01/08/2025 16:12

OP, I do agree that a Reform government would be a terrible, terrible thing. I would never vote for Reform.

But I had a bad dream last night. I dreamt that a troupe of clowns had infiltrated Downing Street, taken over the government and were throwing custard pies, squirting water on people, promising to fix the economy, “smash the gangs”, sort out the NHS, and avoid being corrupt.

When I woke up I sadly realised that - apart from custard pies and joke shop squirty flowers - the nightmare was real.

Was the clown talking like ‘we’ll sbash the gags’ and ‘by dad was a toolmaker’?

Nanny0gg · 01/08/2025 17:04

ExtraOnions · 01/08/2025 10:33

People who vote Reform, mostly seem to be motivated by Immigration, and love having someone to blame for all the ills of their personal economic situation.

There is no real longer term thinking, no long term plan, no societal view etc.

If you already have money you will be fine with a Reform government. It will be all about short-termism, and self-reliance

If you don’t have money, they will do less than nothing to help.. they will make your situation worse, as state funding (for anything) is reduced.

… and they won’t even reduce immigration, as it’s essential to our economic growth.

The people most vocal for reform, are the ones who will most probably be worst effected.

With Labour they are either in the pockets of the Unions, or in the pockets of Venture Capitalists, they need to cut spending… but not cut spending to old people, children, people on benefits, working people or disabled people, they need to sort out housing .. but not build any houses (unless it old industrial land, and even then people will protest)… they need to stop housing asylum seekers in hotels, but not in houses, or other government property such as army barracks..

Good luck to them .. and good luck to Reform voters, when spending it cut to all the groups about, and Reform won’t give a monkeys

Proper controlled immigration is what is needed for economic growth

You cannot call the current situation that

JohnTheRevelator · 01/08/2025 17:04

I worry about a Reform government being voted in because of their attitudes to disability benefits Basically they want to get rid of them and force all sick and disabled people to work because they 'are swinging the lead'. Their plans regarding the NHS are worrying too. They want to privatise it,and for people like me with numerous health issues,the private health insurance premiums would be prohibitive.

Boomer55 · 01/08/2025 17:06

Cluborange666 · 01/08/2025 09:15

I am really worried. I think they’ll wreck the economy. I’ve got a few years left to pay off my mortgage from my job that deals with immigrants. I don’t want our pensions to tank. I don’t want my sons’ lives to be messed around. I worry about more racism, the more ‘voice’ that Reform get. I live in a very multicultural city and non-white people tell me that they are experiencing more overt racism. It makes me feel very insecure about the future.

wish Labour would do more to show that they are on the side of ordinary people as I think that’s what is driving this (I’m a Labour voter). I don’t think the creation of Your Party will help, just give Reform more advantages.

Sigh. Happy to be told I’m unreasonable as I think the future looks bleak.

I’d really concentrate on the here and now. A week is a long time in politics, as someone once said. 🙄

MickGeorge22 · 01/08/2025 17:07

JohnTheRevelator · 01/08/2025 17:04

I worry about a Reform government being voted in because of their attitudes to disability benefits Basically they want to get rid of them and force all sick and disabled people to work because they 'are swinging the lead'. Their plans regarding the NHS are worrying too. They want to privatise it,and for people like me with numerous health issues,the private health insurance premiums would be prohibitive.

I thought it was labour and the tories who thought this. Wasn't it Liz Kendall who said some disability benefit claimants are taking the mickey or words to that effect?

Agrumpyknitter · 01/08/2025 17:10

VilleValo · 01/08/2025 16:41

You are right to be worried OP - Labour are handing voters over to Reform by the armful.

I think a better question at this stage is 'Why are Labour doing such a terrible job?'

So tell us what have they done so badly and what should they have done (given what they inherited from the Tories).

Labour have given us millions more GP appointments, have stopped water bosses from getting huge bonuses, they’re committed to promoting more growth in the U.K. economy (my job is related to this), more online protections for children, were putting in policies to protect workers rights (which Farage and Lib Dem’s voted against). In April the legislation where companies are forced to recognise unions goes through, this is big for all of us.

Reform bang the drum about stopping the boats. How will they do that? The tories were prepared to waste millions and how are they going to solve it? I am genuinely interested because no one has solved this yet Reform will magically do this?

The NHS will be gone under a Reform government that in itself should scare you all. I have private medical healthcare through work but it doesn’t cover pre-existing conditions, once Farage has sold off our NHS to the Americans do you think you will be better off? Mind you we wouldn’t need to do this if all the Brexit millions lies were actually true, because we could have funnelled these into the NHS.

Reform are also against workers rights and against DEI. Women of all races and disabled people are the main beneficiaries of DEI.

skymagentatwo · 01/08/2025 17:10

JohnTheRevelator · 01/08/2025 17:04

I worry about a Reform government being voted in because of their attitudes to disability benefits Basically they want to get rid of them and force all sick and disabled people to work because they 'are swinging the lead'. Their plans regarding the NHS are worrying too. They want to privatise it,and for people like me with numerous health issues,the private health insurance premiums would be prohibitive.

Care to provide an actual published document or policy from reform that state "they want to get rid of them and force all sick and disabled people to work because they 'are swinging the lead'".

I genuinely would like to see this or is it yet more left wing hyperbole.

dynamiccactus · 01/08/2025 17:11

Shakeoffyourchains · 01/08/2025 11:19

I feel dirty writing this cause I don't even like the red Tories but I'm genuinely baffled by the entitlement and expectations from the right. After over 14 years of right-wing austerity, where public services were gutted, infrastructure neglected, national assets sold off, debt ballooned and immigration rose every single year, they now not only expect but demand Labour to fix everything within a year.

And because that hasn’t magically happened, their solution is to vote for an even more right-wing government? Definition of insanity comes to mind.

I mean take immigration. Strip away the constant hysteria that billionaire robber Barron controlled media spouts out, and you’ll see that Labour have at least begun to shift the direction of travel.

They've made changes to asylum legislation around using hotels to house claimants, pledged to boost enforcement, announced plans for a new Border Security Command, committed to hiring more asylum caseworkers, and re-opened diplomatic channels with Europe over Channel crossings.

Have they solved the problem? Obviously not, but they're showing clear intent to tackle it. But because the media thrive on outrage and are more interested in fuelling division than reporting progress, the narrative remains all doom and gloom. Really not sure what more people are expecting

I agree with a lot of what you've said.

But I also think that they are doing some really damaging things that people really care about and they're just going to drive people into Reform's arms.

I do think that Labour have to be 100 times as good as the Tories to be considered good, it's like being a woman in the workplace and having to be better than the men to be considered good (or dare I say it on a football pitch).

dynamiccactus · 01/08/2025 17:12

PS the Tories passed the Online Safety Act.

Brendahollowayreconsider · 01/08/2025 17:13

Reform no different to the BNP.
Their support for the most part are rabid racist fool's.

dynamiccactus · 01/08/2025 17:14

Radioundermypillow · 01/08/2025 16:53

I must say I am snobby and annoyed about all the Turkish barbers and vape shops and candy stores with zero customers that take cash only. Why aren't they investigated?

When councils register them for business rates they should have to investigate.

But they won't because they just want the cash, money laundered or not.

I had a comment deleted from the Times for saying that most of these businesses are money laundering or engaging in modern slavery - or both. I wonder if MN will as well?

EasternStandard · 01/08/2025 17:15

dynamiccactus · 01/08/2025 17:11

I agree with a lot of what you've said.

But I also think that they are doing some really damaging things that people really care about and they're just going to drive people into Reform's arms.

I do think that Labour have to be 100 times as good as the Tories to be considered good, it's like being a woman in the workplace and having to be better than the men to be considered good (or dare I say it on a football pitch).

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I don’t think so re Labour, just that some of mn is particularly forgiving to them and loyal.

skymagentatwo · 01/08/2025 17:18

Brendahollowayreconsider · 01/08/2025 17:13

Reform no different to the BNP.
Their support for the most part are rabid racist fool's.

That's quite a claim, any evidence to back this up, after all if they are truly as you claim rabid racists then you should report them right now to the police.

I can't wait to see the news headlines on Monday when they are all arrested and taken for questioning, following your report into this as there seems to be no evidence that is available to support this in the public domain. Maybe you have undercover recordings 🙄