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I couldn’t sleep last night, worrying about a Reform government

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Cluborange666 · 01/08/2025 09:15

I am really worried. I think they’ll wreck the economy. I’ve got a few years left to pay off my mortgage from my job that deals with immigrants. I don’t want our pensions to tank. I don’t want my sons’ lives to be messed around. I worry about more racism, the more ‘voice’ that Reform get. I live in a very multicultural city and non-white people tell me that they are experiencing more overt racism. It makes me feel very insecure about the future.

wish Labour would do more to show that they are on the side of ordinary people as I think that’s what is driving this (I’m a Labour voter). I don’t think the creation of Your Party will help, just give Reform more advantages.

Sigh. Happy to be told I’m unreasonable as I think the future looks bleak.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 01/08/2025 12:56

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 12:53

Same.

@Cluborange666 I wouldn't worry too much.

There has been three local by-elections in the last three weeks. Reform has come third in two and second in one. It might seem as though everyone supports them on SM, but reality may be very different.

In general, at least 70% of the electorate don't support Reform. Come 2029 there will be a lot of tactical voting to keep Farage out. Like BIossomtoes, I would vote Tory to keep Reform out if I had to.

I'm not sure I could vote Tory, I've been thinking about it. Luckily I live in an area that's never voted right so hopefully it won't come to that.

EasternStandard · 01/08/2025 12:57

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 12:53

Poor Jonathan -not a solicitor - Reynolds has been in the unenviable position of having the tell his colleagues that there's no magic wealth tax tree to save them at the autumn budget

I missed that. Interesting

Just googled, ha I see

MickGeorge22 · 01/08/2025 12:58

user9064385631 · 01/08/2025 12:32

Same here - our local hospice had opened a new building a few years back. It now sits empty as they can no longer afford to staff it because of the NI increases. Utter madness.

We may be talking about the same hospice ! Our local one built a whole new wing some years ago with eleven side rooms and the whole wing is now standing empty despite increasing need and pressures on NHS to free up beds.

Bruisername · 01/08/2025 13:01

Julen7 · 01/08/2025 12:50

It’s too late, Reeves has pretty much painted herself into a corner

She needs to let go of her ego and say those three little words politicians find so hard ‘we were wrong’

honestly some of the civil servants who work in tax in the treasury really get it. The whole broadest shoulders things is a nonsense if they think the only way to raise revenue is to increase rates - there’s so many ways they can get more in tax and incentivise people

And as for the magic money tree that is tax avoidance - they’ve done a lot to change the culture within banks and if they applied any of the measures to a wider circle they could see big changes there too

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 13:07

How would she frame an apology though. Would she lay her mis-steps at the feet of incompetence, callousness or ideology?

Julen7 · 01/08/2025 13:13

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 13:07

How would she frame an apology though. Would she lay her mis-steps at the feet of incompetence, callousness or ideology?

Oh no doubt a few more references to previous black holes

EasternStandard · 01/08/2025 13:18

Julen7 · 01/08/2025 13:13

Oh no doubt a few more references to previous black holes

Ha yes. Although the black hole due to Labour is huge by now.

BIossomtoes · 01/08/2025 13:22

Bruisername · 01/08/2025 12:48

I just hope Rachel Reeves listens to the very smart civil servants in the treasury before her next budget

they need to turn things around if they want to keep the electorate on side.

It was the very smart civil servants in the Treasury who were responsible for the WFA cut - the one everyone was using for political point scoring less than a year ago.

Bruisername · 01/08/2025 13:26

BIossomtoes · 01/08/2025 13:22

It was the very smart civil servants in the Treasury who were responsible for the WFA cut - the one everyone was using for political point scoring less than a year ago.

Yes that’s the problem - politicians don’t want to do anything that might be a little unpopular so row back

the problem is that politicians do have to make hard decisions but they can’t shy away from it. The civil servants are a tool nd should be used as such

OtherS · 01/08/2025 13:27

EasternStandard · 01/08/2025 12:49

I think people just lapped up the media stuff against him and thought Labour would be amazing - what a mistake. You can see it on here pre GE.

Maybe need to start a "Bring Back Sunak" campaign 😥 I really miss having a PM who actually understood what he was talking about, it's so embarrassing watching Starmer et al wittering on about ai etc when they clearly haven't the faintest idea what any of it means. Is depressing though that when I think about our entire collection of politicians, the one I think would probably be best PM is the one who we gleefully booted out a year ago. I didn't personally have high hopes for Labour, but I did think they would be better than the Tories. I stupidly believed Reeves when she claimed she understood the importance of building good relationships with the corporate world, and of driving investment and growth. Kicking myself now.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 13:28

And, Sunak paid for his own trousers, which counts for something.

BIossomtoes · 01/08/2025 13:31

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 13:28

And, Sunak paid for his own trousers, which counts for something.

Yes, that’s everyone’s prime concern.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 13:34

Yes, it's super cool to hand out passes to Downing Street to the donor who is putting your wardrobe together.

BIossomtoes · 01/08/2025 13:42

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 13:34

Yes, it's super cool to hand out passes to Downing Street to the donor who is putting your wardrobe together.

A bit like letting your rich mates buy your wallpaper and pay for your (third) wedding.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 13:44

Oh, did Boris hand out a key to Downing Street for wallpaper, I must have missed that? Besides, I was talking about Sunak, but don't let that slow you down.

Bruisername · 01/08/2025 13:45

I did feel sorry for sunak as he was judged for things that both/either starmer or Johnson are also guilty of

but I do genuinely think sunak wanted to make the country a better place

they say you get the politicians you deserve so we must have all been pretty bad in previous lives!!

twistyizzy · 01/08/2025 13:47

OtherS · 01/08/2025 13:27

Maybe need to start a "Bring Back Sunak" campaign 😥 I really miss having a PM who actually understood what he was talking about, it's so embarrassing watching Starmer et al wittering on about ai etc when they clearly haven't the faintest idea what any of it means. Is depressing though that when I think about our entire collection of politicians, the one I think would probably be best PM is the one who we gleefully booted out a year ago. I didn't personally have high hopes for Labour, but I did think they would be better than the Tories. I stupidly believed Reeves when she claimed she understood the importance of building good relationships with the corporate world, and of driving investment and growth. Kicking myself now.

Sunak was good. He was just leading a failed party.
Plus he looked and acted like a leader of a country.

Funny how Labour bang on about EDI yet Tories are only ones to have had female PMs (plural) + ethnic minority PM plus opposition leader and cabinet ministers. Plus PMs who were MC rather than UC way before Starmer.

Just my opinion, and nothing to do with competence, but Tories generally have better looking politicians too 😉 (with a few notable exceptions eg Boris/Rees-Mogg).

GrouachMacbeth · 01/08/2025 13:49

The government has between three and a half to four years before the next GE. They may have done the unpopular things now, early and by the next election we will all or enough people will be happy with what they have done. They know who are biting their heels. If they do not address people's concerns, do they deserve to be returned?

skymagentatwo · 01/08/2025 13:49

Cluborange666 · 01/08/2025 09:15

I am really worried. I think they’ll wreck the economy. I’ve got a few years left to pay off my mortgage from my job that deals with immigrants. I don’t want our pensions to tank. I don’t want my sons’ lives to be messed around. I worry about more racism, the more ‘voice’ that Reform get. I live in a very multicultural city and non-white people tell me that they are experiencing more overt racism. It makes me feel very insecure about the future.

wish Labour would do more to show that they are on the side of ordinary people as I think that’s what is driving this (I’m a Labour voter). I don’t think the creation of Your Party will help, just give Reform more advantages.

Sigh. Happy to be told I’m unreasonable as I think the future looks bleak.

Well your lucky you could not only sleep for one night, most of us cannot sleep every single night due to the despicable disjointed horror show that is Labour at the present time.

Everything your worrying about is all ready occurring under Starmers lot. You voted for this shit show at least own it, Reform can hardly be any worse.

Brendahollowayreconsider · 01/08/2025 13:51

Reform can't deal with council issues.
Farage is full of shit.

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 13:54

Reform can hardly be any worse

Of course it can. Much worse.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 01/08/2025 13:55

I'd like to be optimistic about this. I normally have a fairly sunny outlook. But I can't see one thing that Labour have set out which could lead to an improvement. I had hoped Streeting had pacified the health unions but even that's gone to shit.

skymagentatwo · 01/08/2025 13:57

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 13:54

Reform can hardly be any worse

Of course it can. Much worse.

When your at the bottom the only way is up and with Labour we can't be any further at the bottom. They would not know the truth if it ran them over, never mind their mind boggling terrible policies and lack of expece in any area.

Jennps · 01/08/2025 13:59

Who is going to tell OP that the economy is wrecked already. Gilt yields are higher now than under Liz Truss. Basically Rachel from accounts and Two Tier are even more atrocious than the Tories and the markets are punishing the UK taxpayer for their diabolical economic and fiscal policies.

Upper rate taxpayer and millionairies are leaving the country in their tens of thousands, debt to GDP ratio is the highest it’s even been, taxes have never been higher and we are in GDP per capita recession. Probably soon entering an overall recession.

Reform might not better, but no one can be worse than the consocialists who got kicked out last year and this shower of shite which calls itself a government.

Jennps · 01/08/2025 14:00

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 13:54

Reform can hardly be any worse

Of course it can. Much worse.

It can’t.

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