To think size 12 isn’t Large?

[Vastimir]

I’d say it’s more Medium. Vinted disagrees. AIBU?

It doesn’t… Vinted says a Medium is a 10 and a Large is a 12. Can’t be changed.

This is more accurate

Traditionally, there were no such sizes as 4-6!

I defy anyone to show a woman's clothing label of 4-6, UK size, more than say 25 years old - they just didn't exist.

There's been a 6 for a long time!

How long?

My skinniest of friends were always an 8 - I was a hefty 12!

As long as I can remember, around 1980s. It wasn't commonly found in shops but it did exist in some shops/catalogues. Back in the day I often struggled to get an 8, 10 was routinely too big, but those days are gone (still slimmish, just not as slim as I was!).

I started work in 1980 and don't recall sizes smaller than a size 8. M&S started then at size 10, I'm pretty sure. At 5'7" and about 8st 12lb, a size 10 was a little tight on the hips and an M&S 12 too big. I was a size 10 in better makes: Jaeger, Alexon, etc, Laura Ashley, also a 10.

At about 11st 8lb, I'm an M&S 14 and was a 12 when I was 10st in the early noughties. I'm not as persuaded about vanity sizing as others.

Dd is size 6 and that’s extra Small. She is 5’7” and 65kg, slender with long legs and long arms and often needs an 8 for length (as there’s a fair assumption slim people are often short also which is a nuisance when you have legs up to your armpits!).

She is swamped by an 8. If you saw her you’d definitely say 8 is too big - so I agree 8 is small, medium therefore has to be 10 and large must be 12.

Which makes me… ginormous?

@Aliksa I'm not doubting you, I'm just trying to envisage how someone who is 65kg and 5'7" can be a size 6. I weigh less than that and am definitely a size 12. Are you sure you've got her weight right?

I don’t think size 12 is a large. Those Vinted descriptions of sizing are a bit weird.

I’m also utterly sick of hearing people banging on about vanity sizing. It always sounds so smug and self righteous. Try some clothes on in a shop. Buy the one that fits. Sorted. Who cares if your size 14 would have been size G for Gazebo in 1985? They are just arbitrary numbers. And it’s not as if there’s a reliable template. Every shop has a different version of the ‘same’ size. H&M have different versions of the same size in the one shop ffs. I’ve been everything from a 10 to an 18 in there🤣

It wasn't commonly found in shops but it did exist in some shops/catalogues

Well that says it all doesn't it - as a nation we are much larger but it's now common for women's clothes to be sized as 4-6, or XXS(!).

No, it doesn't say it all. Loads of folk needed smaller sizes, and had to adapt/tailor.

I'm size 12 and definitely fit M clothes in most shops. Uniqlo M is a perfect fit for me in almost everything. I am overweight.

As PP said - today's size 12 was once size 16. I have always been a 12. But 40 years ago I was 2.5 stone lighter than I am now, so size 12 then must have been significantly smaller.

It is European sizes, which in my experience, seem much more predictable.

8 = Small
10 = Medium
12 = Large
14 = X Large

But some brands are somewhat skewed eg Sweaty Betty where an XS seems a size 10!!

A modern 'vanity sized' 12 is slightly on the large size for a shorter person at least. For a taller person it isn't really. For a person of average height it's somewhere towards probably the upper end of medium build?

I think it might depend on height as well. I am 5'9 and currently overweight and a size 14 which I would say is large. I can be a size 12 if I lost a stone and would still be a size 12 if I lost 2.5 stone which would put me at a perfect weight for my frame (in my opinion).

Average height and a size 12 is definitely not large.
In most shops if you are size 12 you will need a medium size and in some shops like Hush which have generous sizes then a small fits well on a size 12 figure.

I’m size 12 and normally buy a medium (although some brands I’m a large). It frustrates me that I can’t ever get into a size 10 - I’m around 9 stone but was a size 12 at 8.5 stone too. Im 5ft3 with a bmi well within range.

I think some of the people commenting on here are in complete and utter denial about how big they actually are.

A size 18 isn’t an XL? Lol ok, keep telling yourself that.

That’s how i’d consider it too.

Size 12 is not large, it’s very much a medium size.

Basically we are all different shapes. Can you imagine if men talked about this stuff..

What do you think a size 18 is?