Immigration population up another 700k

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I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

Nice to know that your wife is working for free for the NHS. That’s indeed adding some next level value.

Sorry, what did you say…she gets a salary for it. What, she’s not just doing it out of the goodness of her heart? Ok then, her value is no more than anyone else earning the equivalent amount and paying equivalent tax. And unless she is a net contributor, then she’s not adding any value at all.

No one person, immigrant or otherwise, is worthy of being put on an altar because they work in the NHS. They do it for a salary, not as a charity to the British public.

returning Brits not receiving benefits isn’t rubbish

ive watched their faces as they’ve been told and it’s incredible unpleasant, certainly happens as they’ve been gone far to long. Also comes as a very big surprise

Ive no idea on nhs and how that works on payment, so can’t comment

What do you think the NHS can do to help the brain regenerate. There is nothing unfortunately, that can be done about dementia.

A huge number of immigrants will not work and will rely on benefits. It is completely unsustainable.

There’s nothing the NHS can do to make anyone better who either has a terminal illness or is receiving end of life care.

But if you’ve got cancer or the self-imposed effects of alcoholism it’s free, whereas if it’s dementia it isn’t.

Fooling people into believing that dementia isn’t a physical illness in the same way cancer is saves the government many, many £££.

The vast majority of immigrants want nothing but to work. They are not allowed to whilst their asylum case is pending.

You might be right about racists wanting me out of the country as well but it doesn’t mean I’m wrong about the state of the country after importing millions of Muslims into the country- the kind that are so extremist that they’re not welcome in the Emirate that they come from.

The sad effects on dementia are that it reduces the ability to do personal care., eat drink etc as we all know. These are classed as social care needs. If you have cancer etc which also leads to you not being able to do these things, the NHS does not pay. They will pay their contribution same as the dementia sufferers.

I'm not sure what nerve I've touched, but of course she is a net contributor, both financially in the 40% tax she pays, and in the value of her job to society.
I'm not putting her on an altar. But like many immigrants to this country, she has been much more successful and contributes to the UK much more than many lazy, right wing Brits who moan about foreigners ruining this country whilst sat on their arses believing all the racist dog whistle shite emanating from Farage and Robinson. The fact that she does this useful job to society in her third, fluent language would be beyond comprehension for many of them.
Out of interest I click on their facebook profiles sometimes, and they're quite similar. Usually old, working class but certainly not exclusively, and often without any non white friends at all, and a lot of questionable (I'm being kind here) 'humour' and/or downright racist comments eg celebrating when migrant children drown in the Channel. Despicable.

I’ll say south east.
its been a gradual thing, maybe the c change has accelerated over last 5 years or so.
through a job I met someone around 15 years ago who was then in her late 70s. She had lived where i am now in her childhood and early adulthood , and described a community where people knew each other , would chat in the street.
I'm sure it wasn’t utopia, but it did sound a place where there was a sense of belonging. I don’t feel that .

So she works for the NHS. Are we supposed to fawn over her. Sure she’s economically productive and net contributor and that does put her ahead of half of country’s population. But being an immigrant and an NHS worker does not somehow make you more virtuous or valuable than anyone else contributing similar financial value.

Exactly the same vibe in my London suburb - it’s been diverse for years, I was born here and other than university I’ve spent my entire life here, but in the last five years (and I think I can fairly accurately pinpoint the ‘shift’ to the Covid years) it has become completely different: transient; atomised; dominated by groups of young men; noticeable uptick in low level crime and anti-social behaviour; no community cohesion or sense of shared values. It’s as if we emerged after the pandemic lockdowns into a completely different landscape. You can see the ‘community bubbles’ playing out in my DD’s primary class, where the kids are essentially segregated along race and class lines.

We’ve had enough and are relocating this autumn, with parents and in-laws (who have lived here even longer) planning to follow suit. It doesn’t feel like anything here is ‘for us’ any more.

Just a question and I'm as bewildered as most on this! Where I live we have had 3 maternity units (2 small 1 large) shut In the last 15 years. This year one of largest maternity units has been closed with a job loss of over 40 skilled nurses. Our area now has 3 hospitals with maternity units for the surrounding areas are at least a 45 mins drive. If the NHS is struggling to get nurses why are these qualified (you have to qualify in nursing before midwifery) now sat at home on gardening leave?

So its your feelings on the subject, rather than any evidence.

Unlike my DD who has RL experience of this....

I guess all the stuff about 10s of 1000s of Carers being asked to repay monies owed was a dream and never happened..... and no one ever checks.

Like i said "Garbage and Daily Mail rubbish"

Where is this happening?

Disagree. Shes right. The post was excellent. It was honest, it resonated and it was well-written.

Your post wasn't.

I'm assuming you were born in the UK. Immigration for love is not what people are concerned about. Of course with your initial support your wife would do well. No one cares about your wife and people like her.

People are more openly intolerant of vast hordes of young men coming in for no conceivable useful purpose. And the government doesn't seem to be on the country's side. The ballot box hasn't worked. Where do people go now if they want this to stop? Tolerant Britain is over sadly. And that's not the fault of the British people whatsoever. It's the fault of the government's that have caused this mess.

Coventry inhabitant here, you fail to realise they are talking about you & want you to leave your home and return from where your parents came, or even your grandparents

Who..me? I'm not sure where they would deport me to. My family have been remarkably inert for the last 600 years.

But that's not the point. People don't object to immigrants like the PP. Her post was a useful description of how things have changed for the worse in the last few years.

What has changed for you in the last few years due to immigration?

Personally? Is that useful to you? My main concern is the number of people squeezed onto this island and that it's heading for more than 70 million due mainly to immigration. I love the British countryside and I see more and more being built over to.house our ever increasing population. I feel uncomfortable walking past large groups of loitering men; I'm a woman so that has always been an issue but this is different and worse and more. I worry hugely about vast groups of unaccompanied young men coming in on boats from countries we have recently been at war with, numbers that now exceed the numbers in the army. That makes me feel scared and I wasn't scared before. I am worried at the realisation that the government either can't stop it or doesn't want to. That's made me extremely cynical about politicians and the state's ability to keep us all safe.

We all know how things have changed in the country. That's why immigration is the Number 1 one issue to voters. That doesn't mean that your wife is anything to do with that as she's presumably here for love. But politicians have created the environment where we are all affected.

How many military personnel are there in the UK presently?

How many small boat crossings have taken place in the last year

How many asylum applications has the UK received this year?

What percentage of the UK is built on? What percentage of that is new housing?

Please can you clarify where you've got thos information from, thank you

Its not a government briefing is it, its a view on a chat forum

I think in a nutshell the form of immigration to the UK has changed over the last 40 years. Previously I think immigration was largely made up of students and families wanting to relocate here, either by way of being invited by the government (thinking about areas which were former colonies or current commonwealth countries, or where families together were fleeing persecution)

But now large parts of immigration that are much more visible are made up of single men, in large groups who, by virtue of the way the asylum process works, have nothing to do for years on end. That is not useful to them or the communities they move into.

It’s a basic requirement to have borders that work for citizens. If we ever get it in place people won’t think I’ll vote for the chaos we had. No chance.

Why are you asking me when if you want to know the answer it's very easy to find out.

73, 847 in the army
125,000 illegal boat crossings since 2021.(20,000 since January)
76% male