Immigration population up another 700k

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I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

No they just get to use all the free public services for themselves and their non working spouses and also multiple children, public services that they are not paying enough tax to build, that other people arr paying for. And after 5 years, they can also claim every and all benefits.

Let’s say someone on £28k a year who pays less than £5k in tax, will have a spouse two but likely more children in school, using the NHS (for which the pittance of a surcharge does not even touch the sides), and use every other public service. Anyone who thinks that this is contributing is deluded.

then after 5 years, they start to claim every benefit and bring in elderly relatives who gets pension credit, use or NHS, housing allowance and the family chains carers allowance. Despite the family never having paid anything like enough.

Oof.

I would like to see some concrete evidence that "they" are routinely doing all of this.

One small fact: Carer's Allowance is not paid simply because someone has an elderly person in their family.

Carer’s allowance is actually one of the easier claims. Not a huge, but useful extra amount.

@PandoraSocks - you seem to be wilfully ignoring every point. I think the trouble is that the fairness angle is beginning to really upset people of modest means. Additionally it’s the sheer number of people under consideration. A number that has absolutely no end point.

Carer's Allowance is simple to claim, but not awarded willy nilly.

You wouldn't be awarded it just because you have an elderly person in your household. That elderly person would have to be in receipt of either PIP or AA.

Yeah and over 1000 people a day a going onto PIP. So not exactly difficult to claim. Elderly person who has never paid a penny of tax a day goes on to PIP, family who is already a net taker and doesn’t pay enough tax and claims other benefits also now claims carers allowance.

Absolutely insanity.

PIP isn't easy to claim. But there are a million threads on this on MN, so I am not going to rehash all that.

If by "elderly people" you mean people over pension age - they can't make a brand new claim for PIP.

@mumbrain agree with your post.
I’ve lived in a multicultural area for years,
but now it feels different . Not one community but parallel communities, increasingly living in the same areas, worshipping, learning, and socialising together. I can walk the length of our local high street and not hear English spoken.
And men in large groups makes it feel very male dominated, you don’t see women in the same numbers at all.
After 30 years I’m not sure if I want to retire here

Rubbish, carers allowance is £100 per week, so 5k per year, have to provide care for 35 hours per week, so only given if caring for someone who is high needs.
They also cannot earn more than £151 pw after stoppages.

My DD deals with stuff daily, you're talking 'DM level garbage.

No one ever checks the hours provided.

It’s easy enough to claim that the country will spend almost £100b a year on it soon. So yeah, it’s very easy to claim.

Oh dear, how naive.

Things such as Alzheimer’s aren’t ‘social’, they ARE medical. The brain stops being able to regulate bodily processes, eventually the person can’t swallow and things such as their kidneys stop working.

Dementia doesn’t just mean people become forgetful, it means the body stops functioning.

Theres absolutely nothing ‘social’ about it. Declaring it beyond the scope of NHS care is an absolute disgrace.

Its never been in the medical domain. Social care funds all dementia care, always has.

@IsawwhatIsaw where are you in the UK? when do you think it changed?

there is a things called no recourse to public funds and many migrants have a condition of "no recourse to public funds" attached to their immigration status. So if they fall on hard times they are given an airfare home.

Even returning British don't qualify for benefits when they haven't "paid in"

Something like 680k increase in net migration. So basically births and deaths net each other off.

We do and if we paid proper wages and gave it status more people from the uk would work in the sector. We should not be seeing an increase in net migration when I have friends newly qualified as nurses and cannot get jobs. Young people cannot get jobs because who can afford as a single person to work at minimum wage. It barely covers your rent for a room in a shared house.

There is a thing called net contribution. Unless you pay enough tax to fund ALL the services you and your non earning dependents use, then you are living off public funds.

The bit about returning Brits is rubbish though. I know of two people who spent their entire working lives abroad. Never paid a penny in UK taxes (well, might have paid a tiny bit between 16 and 20) then returned to the UK when old and sick, both received pension credits/elderly welfare (not state pension but almost as much) plus full NHS treatment including for cancer (cancer being the reason one returned). I also know a younger person who had a whole series of operations on the NHS, returning from abroad for each one and staying with her mum using her address.
This works the other way around as well though. I know a fair few Europeans, living in the UK who return to their home country for medical and dental treatment.

"There are immigrants like me and then there are immigrants..."

Hilarious abuse of italics here.

TLDR: "I'm alright, Jack. Pull the ladder up."

These I'm-alright-jack, "good" immigrants are astounding in their hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness. The racists and xenophobes would deport you just the same, trust me; you're not "special".

Stop believing utter rubbish

I’m not suggesting it has. I’m merely pointing out that dementia can lead to organ failure. If organ failure had been caused by alcoholism (so something the person has done to themselves) it’s considered a medical need and covered by the NHS.

Classing dementia as a social care issue hides just what an absolutely foul way it is to die as well as being a way to get the patient to pay for their own care if they have the assets.

If any government said that cancer patients had to sell their homes to fund their palliative care there would be uproar.

My wife works in the NHS at 8A level- not bad for an African migrant who didn't speak a word of English when she came here. She manages others and is also clinical dealing directly with patients. Almost all of her department are foreign born or the children of immigrants. I wonder what the racists think when they turn up! Her value to the UK is worth one hundred of the chavy thick white working class Tommy Robinson supporters who think it's acceptable to call for migrants to be burned alive in hostels.

@McSilkson - drivel. And you’re denying that poster’s “lived experience”. Yes, let’s welcome anyone - nay, everyone - because otherwise it’s racist . Here’s a bit of a hint: other peoples are racist, and a great deal more racist than the horrible old British.

I wonder if mumsnet is ever going to do anything about the very obvious troll op that seems to be taking more and more over the site.

I mean I’m still here I guess, I tell people all the time I’ve been here for over a decade and I think it’s incredible for seeing what the general vibe of the country is, esp since it’s mostly women, and that lately it’s scaring the shit out of me. But this is fuuuuuuucked