Immigration population up another 700k

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I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

My definition is the standard definition with a racist being “someone who believes that their own race is superior to others and/or who treats people unfairly or with hostility based on their race”.

The problem comes when someone says something that isn’t racist by the dictionary definition, but someone else assumes must be a result of their racism….

So, for instance, someone could say “I’m very proud of my English heritage and like to fly the St George’s flag!”, and someone else would cry “RACIST” because they jump to the conclusion that this person must therefore believe their “Englishness” is superior to those from other races….

Or someone could say “I’m worried about that immigration from cultures where there is more misogyny is leading to an disproportionate number of sex crimes being committed by those immigrants as indicated from official statistics”, and someone will cry “RACIST” because they jump to the conclusion that the person is implying that all brown-skinned people are rapists!

Calm down. Showing your true colours there. Compensating for a lack of intellectual capability with derogatory misogynistic filthy swearing.

No.

Glad to hear it! Your final para read differently to me (still does, tbh, but perhaps not what you meant).

Free expression is not (or shouldn’t be) a partisan value. We all need it, especially as it may be our views that are the unpopular ones next.

That you believe care home workers are “low skilled” says a great deal about you.

It’s a challenging, professional, highly skilled role that very few people are equipped to do well.

I think that's the ideal.

Reform are going to win the next election and Labour and the left only have themselves to blame. There were two major canaries in the coalmine nearly a decade ago with the Brexit vote and Trump's election win in the US, but they failed to take heed and this is where we are. The Tories share the blame as well and Reform are going to take a lot of their working-class and lower middle-class vote also.

I don't think anyone can say either way, in 2020, Labour were 20pts behind the Tories.

But should they win, based on current polling, its looking like Labour will survive, the LDs do very well but the Tories, well there maybe nothing left...

Hmm. I don't know.

There have been two local by-elections in my neck of the woods in the last two weeks. Both in working class, deprived areas where you might think there would be a strong feeling against the mainstream parties.

Reform came second in one, third in the other. Labour won both, despite the popularity of Reform in the polls and despite there being a lot of disenchantment with Labour.

I know I was just saying in response to the query about the law, its not illegal and never has been.

Social care rather than medical care

Reform are the only party actively campaigning and yet they couldn't win the two by-elections in areas they would expect to win.

I think decency and humanity will win through. Britain has never gone down the facist road, I would be surprised if does with America and Trump as an example.

Decency and humanity have nothing to do with it. People are sick of working hard but still struggling.

That's always been the case. I/we as a family struggled financially for years, the 1980s and first half of the 1990s were terribly difficult, not just for me but for many people. I never lost sight of core values. Now I'm old and long retired, life is no longer a struggle. The generation before me also had it hard, they had WW2 in the middle of their struggle. That is life, nothing changes that much but we are still human beings, despite problems can experience joy at times in many situation and remember the golden rule.

They might well be, but wrongly blaming immigrants for that is what turbo-capitalist oligarchs like Farage and Tice do to deflect from the fact that the extraction of shareholder value is what’s screwing them over, not immigrants. Immigrants are caught in the crossfire as their presence enables the oligarchs to force wages down. They are a tool of Farage & Tice - they need them to survive. Persuading normal people that it’s migrants fault is the ultimate gaslighting.

I don’t think everyone views Labour as a party that embodies these words anyway. They’re managing to alienate a lot of people.

We need care home workers!

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Exactly, choice is dire. You vote for the one most likely to tackle the issues.

Its not unskilled work and I agree important. British born don't want to do it because it's low paid. Businesses recruit from abroad than increase pay so their profits remain high. Same with nursing. Care home workers will need to claim UC to top up and so aren't net contributers

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What do they do in Japan and South Korea? They have an even more top heavy society but very low immigration levels. Who looks after their elderly/sick/disabled ? I suspect care work isn't highly paid anywhere because frankly where would the money come from to pay them?

Charity run care homes don't make profits and pay higher wages and they can't recruit any British care workers either.

Also, care workers on health and care worker visas cannot claim UC because their visa stipulates 'no recourse to public funds'.