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Immigration population up another 700k

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Atallglassimdof · 30/07/2025 23:35

I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

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Alexandra2001 · 01/08/2025 08:50

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 21:06

I don’t disagree with you at all on the point of the culpability of the Conservative government. And as far as Liberals/Lefties go, and to whom that term refers to, as far as I’m concerned, that does not automatically mean Labour.

Edit: A chasm now b/w L and C, yes there is. However under Sunak/Johnson there wasn’t much different vs Brown/Blair.

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Brexit and continuation of Austerity? two massive differences.... and both hugely damaging.
Brexit is costing the UK economy around £42 billion per year & the Tories took borrowing from 65% of GDP in 2010 to 86% in 2020, pre pandemic.....

Where on earth did that money go??? plus what Austerity was supposed to have saved??

Blair/Brown had EU migration, Sunak/Johnson Rest of the World Migration and 4 times as high as anything Labour have ever done.

Its the right wing that have fucked this country over, not lefties.

Kendodd · 01/08/2025 08:55

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Alexandra2001 · 01/08/2025 09:01

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Oh yes and the xxxx that is Farage, who gave us all of this, is now riding high in the polls.

Fool me once......

Do people seriously think he is anything other than a devious salesman?

Quirkswork · 01/08/2025 09:08

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I don't think the issue is Brexit. The issue is that successive governments prefer to import cheap labour and non EU labour is cheaper than EU labour. We've just had the wrong governments. The right government would do the right thing about controlling immigration. Unfortunately we still have the wrong government.

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 09:52

Quirkswork · 01/08/2025 09:08

I don't think the issue is Brexit. The issue is that successive governments prefer to import cheap labour and non EU labour is cheaper than EU labour. We've just had the wrong governments. The right government would do the right thing about controlling immigration. Unfortunately we still have the wrong government.

And the right government would be who, exactly?

GoodPudding · 01/08/2025 09:57

GoodOldTrayBake · 01/08/2025 00:03

Source please?

The source was from the ONS and provided by the OP in the first page’of this thread.

Phobiaphobic · 01/08/2025 09:58

MumBrain23 · 31/07/2025 11:21

I’m not surprised that the vast majority of MN comments are gaslighting the OP about this issue. After all, they are in elite jobs and have very little to do with immigrants on a daily basis.

I’m from an immigrant background- have lived here for 33 years. When I first arrived, London still had British values and I felt lucky to be here. In the last 15 years more people kept arriving and I didn’t mind that. I thought that Britain’s future was rainbow coloured, a future where the average Londoner or British citizen would look mixed… some kind of futuristic utopia where people are educated, cultured and somewhat British in values and happy to be here and keen to assimilate.

But f’’k me, that hasn’t been the case at all. One day, I woke up in the most multicultural area of Europe and it was no longer beautiful. I felt bewildered and sick
Since the pandemic, immigration has turbo charged. People are no longer peacefully living side by side in segregation somewhat following the laws of the land. It’s become jarring and discombobulating. Anti-social and selfish behaviour has skyrocketed.

No one cares about pregnant women, the elderly or disabled on buses anymore. The number of times I’ve seen a new arrival type person sitting in a priority seat not giving a sh’t about anyone else. The number of cars that went past at a zebra crossing without stopping was weird. The number of people (Bulgarian Turks, Latin Americans, Somalis) who wouldn’t let me or my buggy have an equal chance to get on the bus because it was more convenient for them to get on first was shocking. In the end, a European man (who looked German or Dutch) let me go on first when he saw me waiting there for ages. The only time someone was gentlemanly or kind was when there were visitors to the stadium (someone from Essex or another home country).

There are immigrants like me and then there are immigrants freshly arrived who come here and see that it’s a liberal and individualist society with plenty of free money if they wait a few months and get some sort of settled status. They are the dregs of society back home, they have nothing to lose, they are in survival mode and come from a dog eat dog society, they are rough as f, some of them are even criminals. They see this country as a free for all and can see that they don’t need to have any responsibilities for all their rights. So they become selfish, nihilistic, playing their shitty TikTok videos loudly on buses, cracking sunflower seeds in parks and leaving the shells everywhere.Their children littering the parks with vapes, stealing those hire bikes and finding a way to ride them without paying for them. This is not multiculturalism, this is a dystopian hellscape. F this Sh’

London has fallen. There are so many barber shops side by side, they’re not making much from cutting men’s hair, that’s for sure.

Yesterday, I took my baby to Hampstead Health and was walking around the residential areas of Gospel Oak to get to it and I thought, ‘yep, these residents are totally insulated from what’s going on because they live a life of privilege’ in their low traffic zone neighbourhood with their beautiful homes. No new arrivals are going to be able to afford to live there. There, the drivers stopped for me to cross at the zebra crossing and someone helped me get the buggy onto the bus even though I didn’t need the help. The difference between night and day.

And up north, those gaslighters are living in posh villages or towns, nowhere near Rotherham or Harehills, so it’s all too easy to call someone Nigel or a bigot when they don’t even know anyone who was affected by the CSE scandal.

I feel sorry for this beautiful country. It’s elite is sleep walking in sharia law. Blasphemy laws. My family escaped from Turkey to live in a liberal society but religion followed us here and soon illiberal attitudes will be the norm. Soon, English women will refrain from showing any cleavage, wearing any shorts or sleeveless tops because they will feel preyed upon. Bravo, liberal elites, bravo.

Thank you for taking the time to write this. Sadly unless you actually live in an area like this, or see instances on X, people are blithely unaware that this is happening and our once high trust society is gradually seeping away.

Quirkswork · 01/08/2025 10:10

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 09:52

And the right government would be who, exactly?

Don't know. None of the above at the moment. Will.see in 2029.

Kendodd · 01/08/2025 10:20

@MNWhy was I deleted MN for saying something Tory Blair has said?

Kendodd · 01/08/2025 10:22

Tony Blair said that we swapped young single Europeans for families from Africa and Asia. And I get deleted for saying as much.

Crikeyalmighty · 01/08/2025 10:23

What figures are you giving ? from when to when ??

Kendodd · 01/08/2025 10:24

@Mumsnetplease reinstate my post. Let people judge for themselves if its offensive.

Quirkswork · 01/08/2025 10:35

Kendodd · 01/08/2025 10:24

@Mumsnetplease reinstate my post. Let people judge for themselves if its offensive.

Maybe someone grassed you up to the Elite Squad Keir Starmer has set up to police social media. I bet they are all over MN. Why wouldn't they be. There's been a lot less deletions of late so presumably they are just compiling a list of troublemakers. Don't worry...the list will be pretty long if he's counting SM posts of disgruntled women.

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 10:37

Kendodd · 01/08/2025 10:22

Tony Blair said that we swapped young single Europeans for families from Africa and Asia. And I get deleted for saying as much.

I think you are being a bit disingenuous, Ken. There was a bit more to to your post than that. There was a racist slur about cousins which I don't believe Blair has ever said. That is why it was deleted.

I reported your post.

You need to email MN if you want your post reinstated, the @ doesn't go anywhere.

Eta: Yes of course I am a member of "Elite Squad Keir Starmer"🤣🤣🤣

Seriously, though, I am just sickened by the casual racism on MN lately. If you don't want to be deleted, don't post racism.

Quirkswork · 01/08/2025 10:45

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 10:37

I think you are being a bit disingenuous, Ken. There was a bit more to to your post than that. There was a racist slur about cousins which I don't believe Blair has ever said. That is why it was deleted.

I reported your post.

You need to email MN if you want your post reinstated, the @ doesn't go anywhere.

Eta: Yes of course I am a member of "Elite Squad Keir Starmer"🤣🤣🤣

Seriously, though, I am just sickened by the casual racism on MN lately. If you don't want to be deleted, don't post racism.

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Yes no need for racism. As long as it's genuine racism and not just an attempt to use that slur to shut down genuine debate. Which has been used so often now I can see why people can no longer judge what is real racisim.

Incidentally racism aside (and not to be a twat) what do those on the left think about the policing of SM and the threat to free speech? Is it a non partisan issue? Is it a concern of the "British people" as a whole? Or just non Labour. Because I always thought we had free speech up until the pandemic and now I'm not so sure. And I think both sides of the political spectrum would have agreed with me.until now?.

Phobiaphobic · 01/08/2025 10:57

Those bandying around the term racist for anyone who disagrees with them should bear in mind that many of us on Mumsnet got called transphobic all the time, and now we don't give a fuck.

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 11:05

Phobiaphobic · 01/08/2025 10:57

Those bandying around the term racist for anyone who disagrees with them should bear in mind that many of us on Mumsnet got called transphobic all the time, and now we don't give a fuck.

I thought the post was racist. MNHQ agreed. So it was not just me who thought so. Ken can appeal to MNHQ if she wants.

Meanwhile, I will continue to call out racism. I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of me.

Eta: it has just occurred to me that @kendodd might have been being satirical about the Brexit out come not being what racists hoped for. If that is the case, I apologise profusely 😔

Phobiaphobic · 01/08/2025 11:07

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 11:05

I thought the post was racist. MNHQ agreed. So it was not just me who thought so. Ken can appeal to MNHQ if she wants.

Meanwhile, I will continue to call out racism. I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of me.

Eta: it has just occurred to me that @kendodd might have been being satirical about the Brexit out come not being what racists hoped for. If that is the case, I apologise profusely 😔

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I didn't even see the post. I am talking in general, across many threads.

Julen7 · 01/08/2025 11:24

Quirkswork · 01/08/2025 10:45

Yes no need for racism. As long as it's genuine racism and not just an attempt to use that slur to shut down genuine debate. Which has been used so often now I can see why people can no longer judge what is real racisim.

Incidentally racism aside (and not to be a twat) what do those on the left think about the policing of SM and the threat to free speech? Is it a non partisan issue? Is it a concern of the "British people" as a whole? Or just non Labour. Because I always thought we had free speech up until the pandemic and now I'm not so sure. And I think both sides of the political spectrum would have agreed with me.until now?.

Yes I would love to know what lefties think of the policing of SM too. Do enlighten us please.

awkwardasfuck · 01/08/2025 11:27

Julen7 · 01/08/2025 11:24

Yes I would love to know what lefties think of the policing of SM too. Do enlighten us please.

Quite simple. If you incite violence or make racist remarks you get deleted or in trouble.

Try not being a bigot for a day you'll find nobody has aan issue with what you say.

GoodPudding · 01/08/2025 11:45

awkwardasfuck · 01/08/2025 11:27

Quite simple. If you incite violence or make racist remarks you get deleted or in trouble.

Try not being a bigot for a day you'll find nobody has aan issue with what you say.

The problem is when the definition of “racism” is stretched well beyond its original meaning and used as a tool to shut down debate on matters just because someone has decided it’s racist. It’s censorship by stealth.

EasternStandard · 01/08/2025 11:45

awkwardasfuck · 01/08/2025 11:27

Quite simple. If you incite violence or make racist remarks you get deleted or in trouble.

Try not being a bigot for a day you'll find nobody has aan issue with what you say.

The pp doesn’t do this so not sure why you’d post that they have.

awkwardasfuck · 01/08/2025 11:58

EasternStandard · 01/08/2025 11:45

The pp doesn’t do this so not sure why you’d post that they have.

You, as in vous, clearly 🙄

PandoraSocks · 01/08/2025 12:42

GoodPudding · 01/08/2025 11:45

The problem is when the definition of “racism” is stretched well beyond its original meaning and used as a tool to shut down debate on matters just because someone has decided it’s racist. It’s censorship by stealth.

What is your preferred definition of racism?

CunningLinguist2 · 01/08/2025 13:02

No, I don’t.
I will base it on research and fact when dedicating a number to it though. Not gut feeling, GB News and standard racism and fear and conjecture.
Right now though, I am on holiday but will be back to research after August.
Wild fearbased numbers outta thin air doesn’t rock my boat though

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