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Immigration population up another 700k

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Atallglassimdof · 30/07/2025 23:35

I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

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soupyspoon · 31/07/2025 20:47

Alexandra2001 · 31/07/2025 20:42

Really? we jailed people for speaking out against climate change for 4/5 years each, banned people protesting in support of Palestine.... now risk being jailed for terrorism
Locked up people for SM posts....

The world is full of people who may be arrested for speaking out against their Govt, shall we let them all in?

Most student protestors are here already or elsewhere, there is zero reason to let in people who may strongly support the Chinese Govt but hold some sort of British passport.

HK is a very successful international business hub, is it democratic? no, is it of our concern... not anymore.

Utter madness

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Yes I think we should protect people under threat from China where we can. I have no problem with people from HK moving here, they're business minded, hard working, have a UK affiliation from history.

AlertEagle · 31/07/2025 20:49

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 20:45

Gee thanks. Real quality response there.

You refuse to acknowledge that this is wrong. You cant tell me every british person with give you way everywhere you go. You believe that any foreign national is an imbecile and arrogant when we have the same people here. The amount of times english people have opened a door infront of me and not held it but let it close but I do the opposite I hold if for the person after me and I come from a foreign country, I help women no matter their nationality or skin colour to get their pushchair up and down escalators/stairs, I help elderly people read the price of an item at the shop because they have forgotten their glasses but in your eyes I don’t because I come from a foreign country.

MoOp125 · 31/07/2025 20:49

Youdontseehow · 31/07/2025 14:37

Agree. Many come on student visas, attend the bare minimum of classes and just work. Sure, students doing legitimate PhDs, medicine etc are paying a fortune - but these are mainly wealthier students from the Middle East and China.

Students from poorer countries like Pakistan and parts of Africa are more likely to abuse the visa system - many universities allow students to not pay their fees until the first 12 weeks of semester have taken place so the students can come and go underground without paying a penny.

NOT TRUE. Universities need to follow a strict reporting system to ensure that this does not happen. More racist propaganda.

Alexandra2001 · 31/07/2025 20:51

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 20:43

Your comment assumes a difference between the most recent Tories in power and Labour. Politically, there’s been very little difference so no, it doesn’t weaken my argument. Your “gotcha” didn’t go as well you thought. The post I made did not reference the Conservatives or Labour. I was talking about the “trendy lefties” as you call them, which has little to do with any specific party at this point.

Of course it does, liberal/lefties means only one thing, Labour.

No gotcha, i m not into that, but i don't like BS, pretending that the Cons are innocent, when the reality is, they have caused this recent wave of both regular and irregular migration.

Gaping chasm between the 3? main parties atm.

Alexandra2001 · 31/07/2025 20:55

soupyspoon · 31/07/2025 20:47

Yes I think we should protect people under threat from China where we can. I have no problem with people from HK moving here, they're business minded, hard working, have a UK affiliation from history.

Then lets open the doors to many 10s of millions of people with historic ties to the UK but risk possible persecution shall we?

HK people coming here are no likely to business orientated than anyone else.

Anecdotally, the ones i know, are the parents of people already here, so older.

Young HK er's with a business mindset, wont choose the UK.

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 21:06

Alexandra2001 · 31/07/2025 20:51

Of course it does, liberal/lefties means only one thing, Labour.

No gotcha, i m not into that, but i don't like BS, pretending that the Cons are innocent, when the reality is, they have caused this recent wave of both regular and irregular migration.

Gaping chasm between the 3? main parties atm.

I don’t disagree with you at all on the point of the culpability of the Conservative government. And as far as Liberals/Lefties go, and to whom that term refers to, as far as I’m concerned, that does not automatically mean Labour.

Edit: A chasm now b/w L and C, yes there is. However under Sunak/Johnson there wasn’t much different vs Brown/Blair.

NautilusLionfish · 31/07/2025 21:28

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 17:59

Why do we have to do everything that we don't have the people for though?

I don't mean you in particular but in general, why?

The downside of overpopulating the country is already apparent in supply and demand of homes.

At what point does the discomfort become so great that we stop?

Trains and roads are already unbearable in commuting times and have been for 15 years at least.

When you look closely at the OBR data they appear to have a short term view on increasing the tax take by bringing in more people every year without considering the impact on quality of life.

Why do we have to do everything that we don't have the people for though?

That is indeed an important question So what is it that you can stop doing that us immigrants are doing? Engineering? IT? Care work? Maternal Health provisions (my entire team was immigrants except one British nurse who grew up in an African country!), the doc checked my bowel health was obviously not British and the nurses were Filipino, who needs bowel cancer check if immigrants are the ones doing it. Pouf! Who needs picking crops, Pouf! What else?

NautilusLionfish · 31/07/2025 21:30

@Atallglassimdof I wouldnt worry too much about the population increase. Everyday there is several people on mumsnet saying they are leaving this country because 1) everything is going to the dogs 2) too many foreigners not speaking english and 3) they are high earners and people hate the rich in this country. Combine that with the number of celebrities leaving because their phone was stolen in London then you will soon have headlines that say UK population depleted.

MaturingCheeseball · 31/07/2025 21:31

I would like to know - from those on here spouting the bigot and racist terms - just how many people should be allowed to move here.

Not doctors/nurses/engineers… but anyone however unskilled or undocumented or even with a criminal record. Should any spouse or extended family member have the right to join them?

I saw a statistic that around 30million people are currently wanting to move to the UK. Is this acceptable to some?

AlertEagle · 31/07/2025 21:34

NautilusLionfish · 31/07/2025 21:28

Why do we have to do everything that we don't have the people for though?

That is indeed an important question So what is it that you can stop doing that us immigrants are doing? Engineering? IT? Care work? Maternal Health provisions (my entire team was immigrants except one British nurse who grew up in an African country!), the doc checked my bowel health was obviously not British and the nurses were Filipino, who needs bowel cancer check if immigrants are the ones doing it. Pouf! Who needs picking crops, Pouf! What else?

The housing issue is down to the government not building enough homes, this’s been an issue for a very long time. I “like” how everything is blamed on immigrants this is how Brexit happened because of all the campaigns and scaremongering about immigration, reform is doing the same

CunningLinguist2 · 31/07/2025 21:34

We get it. You don’t like immigrants.
There is a word for that

NeverDropYourMooncup · 31/07/2025 21:40

MaturingCheeseball · 31/07/2025 21:31

I would like to know - from those on here spouting the bigot and racist terms - just how many people should be allowed to move here.

Not doctors/nurses/engineers… but anyone however unskilled or undocumented or even with a criminal record. Should any spouse or extended family member have the right to join them?

I saw a statistic that around 30million people are currently wanting to move to the UK. Is this acceptable to some?

It's irrelevant when the thread is about whether the RNLI should continue to provide their services out of basic human morality. Even Yaxley-Lennon should - and would - be fished out if he tried to evade arrest for a suspected assault or contempt of court causing a large, interlinked trial to collapse by boat and got into trouble somewhere between here and Mainland Europe.

EasternStandard · 31/07/2025 21:44

CunningLinguist2 · 31/07/2025 21:34

We get it. You don’t like immigrants.
There is a word for that

Do you have an upper limit? Say over the next decade or two do you expect the population to keep going up, by how much?

Youdontseehow · 31/07/2025 21:54

MoOp125 · 31/07/2025 20:49

NOT TRUE. Universities need to follow a strict reporting system to ensure that this does not happen. More racist propaganda.

I wish it was. I’ve worked in two with post grad students who totally abused the system. The students know exactly how many lectures/classes they need to attend before they trigger an absence alert.

In one University I worked in, they stopped taking registers in class for the foreign students on visas on the basis that it singled them out and they felt embarrassed- so electronic swipe pads were installed for every student to swipe in - the foreign students who were abusing the system just swiped each other in.

It’s not racist and it’s not propaganda.

Youdontseehow · 31/07/2025 22:04

NautilusLionfish · 31/07/2025 21:28

Why do we have to do everything that we don't have the people for though?

That is indeed an important question So what is it that you can stop doing that us immigrants are doing? Engineering? IT? Care work? Maternal Health provisions (my entire team was immigrants except one British nurse who grew up in an African country!), the doc checked my bowel health was obviously not British and the nurses were Filipino, who needs bowel cancer check if immigrants are the ones doing it. Pouf! Who needs picking crops, Pouf! What else?

No one is saying there should be no migration. But it’s not unreasonable to want a level of migration that is sustainable and adds to the country/the economy. It’s uncontrolled migration of people who are net takers rather than net contributors - that is unsustainable and no country wants this.

And wrt the Filipino nurses - do you think it is morally acceptable for richer countries to take skilled workers from poorer countries? I remember hearing about an English Trust who recruited in a poor overseas country and gave incentives to the extent they recruited the entire intensive care unit of one particular hospital. Is that ok?

Negroany · 31/07/2025 22:10

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Wow, that's a really vile post.

Where do you actually live, out of interest?

MaturingCheeseball · 31/07/2025 22:11

@NeverDropYourMooncup - that is a completely different thread about the RNLI. You have quoted me but not answered the question - should there be any limit to the number of people (unskilled/undocumented etc) who wish to live here?

MoOp125 · 31/07/2025 22:12

Youdontseehow · 31/07/2025 21:54

I wish it was. I’ve worked in two with post grad students who totally abused the system. The students know exactly how many lectures/classes they need to attend before they trigger an absence alert.

In one University I worked in, they stopped taking registers in class for the foreign students on visas on the basis that it singled them out and they felt embarrassed- so electronic swipe pads were installed for every student to swipe in - the foreign students who were abusing the system just swiped each other in.

It’s not racist and it’s not propaganda.

I have worked in two with both undergraduate and postgraduate students and I know exactly that what you are saying is not true. I would suggest you to try to find another poor excuse to justify your xenophobic behaviour - diversity is one of the most enriching aspects of UK Universities.

dottiehens · 31/07/2025 22:12

MikeRafone · 31/07/2025 18:57

https://imo.gov.qa/media-centre/press-releases/qatar-s--120-billion-a-year-contribution-to-the-uk-economy-presented-in-new-cebr-report

Take back control they said

Yet the Middle East is purchasing uk like there is no tomorrow, they are buying property off plan.

and all the time you are looking the other way at migration - which isn't the problem if you want Britain to remain British

This has been going on for a while and the Tories were very happy with it btw.

Negroany · 31/07/2025 22:13

soupyspoon · 31/07/2025 19:03

Im not sure where anyone has said that, can you show us?

I didn't say anyone had, I said "it sounds like it".

I'm sorry your school failed you in English comprehension. Probably due to immigrants....

Negroany · 31/07/2025 22:20

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 18:51

That’s simply not true.

Immigration isn’t “down, it’s down from a record spike.

Net migration peaked at a high of 840k in 2022. It dropped to 431k in 2024 but that’s still higher than any year pre-Brexit and 60% above 2019 levels. So it has not ‘gone down’, simply reduced from a massive high.

Equating concern about immigration with racism isn’t just wrong, it reeks of elitist snobbery. It’s a cheap way to dismiss real issues and look down on anyone who dares to speak up.

The increase of concern from 44% to 73% reflects growing anxiety around factors others posters have brought up (housing shortages, NHS strain, school capacity and pressure on wages). It is completely possible to support immigration in principle but still be critical of how it’s being managed.

Dismissing public concern as bigotry is itself a bubble. When 3/4 of survey respondents are worried about immigration, it’s a mainstream issue and reducing it to “right-wing propaganda” is simplistic and naive.

I was specifically referring to the years mentioned in the post I was quoting - 22-24.

I'm aware of all the figures, but figures other than those in the years 22-24 are not relevant to the post I was replying to.

Neither is the rest of your post.

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 22:33

Negroany · 31/07/2025 22:20

I was specifically referring to the years mentioned in the post I was quoting - 22-24.

I'm aware of all the figures, but figures other than those in the years 22-24 are not relevant to the post I was replying to.

Neither is the rest of your post.

Oh well that’s me told.

Jennps · 31/07/2025 22:52

Youdontseehow · 31/07/2025 21:54

I wish it was. I’ve worked in two with post grad students who totally abused the system. The students know exactly how many lectures/classes they need to attend before they trigger an absence alert.

In one University I worked in, they stopped taking registers in class for the foreign students on visas on the basis that it singled them out and they felt embarrassed- so electronic swipe pads were installed for every student to swipe in - the foreign students who were abusing the system just swiped each other in.

It’s not racist and it’s not propaganda.

When will the naivetons learn about the rampant abuse of immigration system. They have led such sheltered lives that they have no idea what goes on in the real world. But argue like they have a clue.

MoOp125 · 31/07/2025 22:59

Youdontseehow · 31/07/2025 21:54

I wish it was. I’ve worked in two with post grad students who totally abused the system. The students know exactly how many lectures/classes they need to attend before they trigger an absence alert.

In one University I worked in, they stopped taking registers in class for the foreign students on visas on the basis that it singled them out and they felt embarrassed- so electronic swipe pads were installed for every student to swipe in - the foreign students who were abusing the system just swiped each other in.

It’s not racist and it’s not propaganda.

Furthermore, for those interested in the truth, here is a link with more detailed information. Importantly, ”Sponsorship is a privilege and not a right. Sponsors benefit directly from migration and are expected to play a part in ensuring that the system is not abused. Sponsors must therefore fulfil certain duties, in order to ensure that immigration control is maintained. Providers must be able to show that they can fulfil, and are fulfilling, these sponsor duties in order to gain and retain a Student sponsor licence.”. If Universities do not fulfill their duties, they won’t retain their licence, implying a massive loss of income. More details on the reporting system and duties are provided in the link below.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/student-sponsor-guidance/sponsorship-duties-accessible#:~:text=3.19%20Once%20you%20have%20assigned,to%20support%20a%20further%20application.&text=3.23%20Students%20who%20are%20applying,them%20with%20that%20CAS%20number.

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