Immigration population up another 700k

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I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

People who ‘don’t mind’ immigration are usually the people who don’t live in the dog-shit areas populated by large numbers of low skilled immigrants.

They live in leafy Waitrose areas and send their kids to private school and just think most poor white people are ill-mannered and not very bright - that is why they’re all racists.

They love their neighbour Dr Otoje, and Magdana their cleaner is wonderful. And Ahmed who always keeps a lovely clean shop when they buy their daily copy of the Guardian. They can make an authentic Goan fish curry after a fantastic cooking class they went to on holiday in Goa.

They live the multicultural life, so they know exactly what they’re talking about.

I recall Rachel Maddow explaining how it was impossible for Trump to win ....just before he did.

I don’t think so.

Not nasty - factual.

It means educate yourself (those who say immigrants get benefits).

Oh the irony.

Yes that keys guy who rarely got it wrong did too.

Earlier you seemed to defend a poster that was accused of being racist, saying that they are an immigrant. It is possible to be both.

Oh the Dems, and in particular, Rachel Maddow, was almost drowning in her own kool-aid.

@Extravirginolive Maybe I haven’t explained myself very well.

Historically the English have been white, from the point that England became a defined place. Over the years we have been invaded by Germans, French, Scandinavians etc. Yet I’m sure that the descendants of those invaders are now well established as part of the English population.

How do I define English? Cultural. There are a set of societal norms that each culture develops, a sort of code of etiquette to flag up dangerous foreign infiltrators who might threaten us. (I’m being tongue in cheek, in case anyone is wondering).

Have you read Watching The English? It was written by an anthropologist and a it’s a great study into the minutiae of displays of Englishness.

Now we have had lots of non-white immigration since the 1950s, the descendants of those immigrants are probably grandparents themselves. They may well have mixed race descendants. Three generations later are they not English? If they follow the same social cues as described in Watching The English and describe themselves as English as opposed to African-English or whatever, then yes, I honestly believe they are English.

Black skin colour seems to be the dominant gene in mixed race offspring, so it seems reasonable that the skin colour of the English will change as races mix more freely. However, long term that may revert back to whiteness. And as the ancestors would have been white English, if the descendants consider themselves to be part of an unbroken line of Englishness, then I really can’t see a problem with it.

However, if we say that English culture is racist etc etc then we are likely to end up with a predominant culture far, far removed from the one we have presently. I don’t think that’s a good thing. And I think the best way to avoid that is to stop calling anyone who is worried or disconcerted by the pace of demographic change a racist.

We need to look at what their fears are. Is it just skin colour or is it cultural - a lessening or change in the freedoms and accepted cultural practices we have historically enjoyed here? We can’t accommodate unlimited different cultures and expect everything to remain harmonious. We can accept different skin colours though. And we need a common language too, otherwise we will fragment.

Immigrants under then old system - Tier 1, Tier 2, HSMP, those weren’t allowed benefits, that is correct. But almost by definition, people coming in under those programs were high wage earners, but did not come in the large numbers that are reflected in the stats currently, as all those programs were phased out under Cameron.

The current make up of migrants are not from that pool, and are low/ unskilled labour. Applying as asylum seekers or coming in across the Channel, the UK Govt provides them with council houses etc. and they have access to the benefits system.

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Asylum seekers are not entitled to benefits or council housing while seeking asylum

If they are granted refugee status then theyre entitled to benefits/housing, other services etc, becomes just like yours or mine. So Im not entitled to council housing as I dont have a need. If I had a need, I would be entitled to it.

Both what?

This is racist propaganda. International students are nowadays the only reason why many British Universities are still running. Fees for overseas students are in the region of 22-30k per year, so no need to come to the UK to steal your precious benefits and box rooms in overpriced houses

Reform are the bookies favourite to win the next general election.

They are literally getting housed, clothed, full medical treatment and everything benefits can buy you. Actually more.

There is no difference. It’s just another attempt to tell people to ignore what they can see with their very own eyes.

They're given subsistence income and if in need of accommodation (many go and live with family who are already here) they are housed in damp, unfit for habitation mouldy hotel rooms.

So yes, I suppose very much like council housing.

They dont get 'clothed'.

They're entitled to NHS care same as you or me.

The moment anyone brings up a topic that goes against a “liberal” or “left-leaning” view, that all migration is beneficial to the UK, the discussion is shut down by making disparaging remarks

Sorry but it was the right wing Tory government of Sunak & Johnson that increased migration from 240k pa to over 1m pa.

They also let in potentially, up to 5m HK nationals for no reason what so ever, HK is a peaceful place, with a strong western business presence.

Migration, now only falling to less than half that under a left leaning govt.... odd!!!

Which goes against your "its all the fault of the trendy lefties" doesn't it?

HK nationals are under threat by the Chinese

And even in this country any Hong Kongers speaking out against the Chinese regime are nobbled by the Chinese government by proxy by our own authorities, particularly those in UK government or UK public positions.

An immigrant and a racist.

Really? we jailed people for speaking out against climate change for 4/5 years each, banned people protesting in support of Palestine.... now risk being jailed for terrorism
Locked up people for SM posts....

The world is full of people who may be arrested for speaking out against their Govt, shall we let them all in?

Most student protestors are here already or elsewhere, there is zero reason to let in people who may strongly support the Chinese Govt but hold some sort of British passport.

HK is a very successful international business hub, is it democratic? no, is it of our concern... not anymore.

Utter madness

Your comment assumes a difference between the most recent Tories in power and Labour. Politically, there’s been very little difference so no, it doesn’t weaken my argument. Your “gotcha” didn’t go as well you thought. The post I made did not reference the Conservatives or Labour. I was talking about the “trendy lefties” as you call them, which has little to do with any specific party at this point.

What are you talking about?

You still dont see anything wrong with what you’ve said so argue with yourself.

Gee thanks. Real quality response there.