Immigration population up another 700k

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I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

I don’t think I did accuse anyone specifically but I do think this is fuelled by xenophobia and racism. I don’t have a problem with immigration and like many people have lived in many places around the world, and enjoy a diverse population. That doesn’t mean I am superior to someone who has a different experience and attitude.

Places in the UK are changing as the demographics of the population change. These two photos are of the same school in NW London, one taken in 1960 the other in 2022.

I can imagine that if you were in the first photo seeing the school-age population changing to that in the 2nd is disconcerting. If you live in the area still you might find yourself feeling like an outsider as the change took place. Having your feelings of disquiet dismissed as racism really doesn’t help. Whether we agree with them or not, we should listen to people’s fears and help them overcome them. Not suggest that anyone seeing their culture replaced is automatically a bigot if they’re not completely happy with it.

But overall does it really matter? Probably not. People are people, skin colour is irrelevant. If London becomes 100% black and brown in the next 50 years is that such a bad thing?

And when Reform win with a landslide victory come the next election, which looks increasingly likely, they will be blaming that on Russia as well.

So the definition you have provided says:

"believes that some races of people are better than others"

All the conversation here has been about numbers of immigrants and the skill levels, the demographic change and the economic impact this causes.

You could interpret the discussion about skill level as being about "better" but the recruiter has already made the decision about that skill requirement, race is irrelevant.

So what exactly have I said about some races being better that has made you think I'm uncomfortable thinking about this?

So do you always assume people only criticise immigration levels because they are racist and think they are better?

Isn't that you being bigoted and intolerant of different viewpoints? The definition of a bigot?

It’s numbers, it doesn’t need to be particularly emotive. You too probably have an upper limit.

We’ve had more immigration in this country since 1997 than since records began. How is that not absolutely insane.

This ridiculous line about ‘oh well people are just complaining about immigration because they are in left behind communities’. It’s BS frankly. And a form of gaslighting. Telling people ‘oh you’re not really unhappy about immigration, it’s just we need to give you more handouts by borrowing more cash and crippling the economy even more, so you can shut up and let us bring in a million people a year from cultures which are worlds apart from your own’.

I’ve asked twice now if it really matters if London becomes 100% non-white, no one has replied to say it isn’t a problem.

Obviously those who feel that the indigenous white way of life is being eroded won’t agree with me, and that’s fine, I can see why.

But those who scream racist at anyone who dares to say they’re unhappy with current immigration levels haven’t said they don’t have a problem with London being 100% non-white. Which makes me think that performative defending of immigration is the default position of closet racists.

And for the record, I don’t have a problem with it. I do have a problem with massive population increase fuelled by immigration though because I can’t see that ever ending well. We have finite resources of land and water which most people seem to conveniently forget.

I just came here to point that you can be an immigrant and a racist.

English people have a capital of England with no English people there?

They have all been replaced by people from 150 to 200 countries from around the world?

Try that with a different race?

Calling people racist is how grooming gang rapists were protected by the public sector.
The word has been discredited by this and can be legitimately turned back on it's user as evidence that they too would use it in those circumstances without hesitation.
Use that word and that's your reputation now.

Is this what you mean @EviesHat?

Im generally very keen for immigration but there are parameters and caveats to that. All countries have a right to say who they want to come to their country, what for, how long to stay but more importantly what values, boundaries and expectations are involved. For some reason in this country (because its one of our values I suppose) we are too shy/unassertive/silent to challenge when social norms are changing to those of a culturally different demographic.

You would be highly challenged in other countries and cultures for going against the social norms, partcularly in public.

And in this country, its certainly the narrative that an influx of people from 'outside' has ruined various places across the world, not just by colonisation but by other means, basic immigration. If British or even worse, English expats are involved, theres a lot of sneering going on, talk of the English 'taking over' various places (usually mentioned about resorts etc). Misty eyed reflections about how places around the world have lost their identity because of population changes, traditions have disappeared etc, isnt it a shame, blah blah blah.

Yet when people in Britain talk about this country in that way, its racist apparently.

We need to reduce the population. Of the UK and of the world.
And here in the UK we need to reduce immigration. It should be one in, one out.
We do not need immigrants to do "the jobs British people don't WANT to do".
Those jobs just need to pay more money and have better conditions where this is possible.

@Extravirginolive White skin evolved over time as ancient humans moved north from Africa and adapted to lower sunlight levels.

I think as populations change we will see the white population of London decrease substantially. Give it a few thousand years and the descendants of non-white people living in London may also evolve to a lighter (whiter) skin colour all over again.

So ultimately there will be white English Londoners in London, just not necessarily from an unbroken line of whiteness.

I asked you if you considered yourself racist.

I think you are uncomfortable thinking about if you are racist because you seem unable or unwilling to answer the question.

No

I don’t think so. I am interested in your viewpoint but hold a different opinion.

@EasternStandard English people are people who are born in England and who follow a way of life one would call ‘English’. It isn’t strictly determined by skin colour.

I have a French friend who has lived here for 30+ years, her kids were born here, but they consider themselves to be French first. I have an Indian friend whose kids all say they are English - would you say they are not?

Mass immigration causes problems, yes, but it’s usually cultural clashes that are the issue rather than the amount of melanin.

Presently this is going under the radar, as people are so concerned with people in small boats in th channel

but give it 7-10 years and this will hot them like a brick as the trillions of pounds in turnover develops into profit that leaves the uk every 10 years

Calling people racist is how grooming gang rapists were protected by the public sector.
The word has been discredited by this and can be legitimately turned back on it's user as evidence that they too would use it in those circumstances without hesitation.
That's your reputation now.

I don’t see this take. Nearly everyone has a limit, unless they believe people should move and live anywhere. If there’s a limit the same ‘racist’ accusation can be attributed to them.

Glad I’m here to point out that not being okay with net migration of current levels does not make you a racist.

One person can only be in one place at any one time.

So do you feel you aren’t discriminating on race?

It is not at all likely that Reform will win the next election, let alone by a landslide. The best they can do mathematically, and even this is a very long shot, is force a left-leaning coalition, unless the Conservatives ditch Kemi.

So there is no such thing as English then, it doesn't exist as an ethnicity?

The stable population going back over 1,000 years isn't an ethnic identity?

As soon as anyone lands at Heathrow they're English?

Is this applicable to all races and ethnicities or is it only the English that have no identity?

Are you still being a bigot?