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Immigration population up another 700k

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Atallglassimdof · 30/07/2025 23:35

I understand that this country needs immigration but if you import 100,000s of low skilled workers, in their 30s and 40s, how are they going to fund their retirement or pay for their housing?

It just seems counterintuitive to bring loads of people into this country who will need considerable financial support ( housing benefits, pension credits) when they are no longer able to work, and don’t have the means to support themselves.

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Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 18:34

Hiptothisjive · 31/07/2025 18:15

Seriously crack a book. If you legally immigrate (because you said immigrants not refugees) you may need know a few things.

It costs THOUSANDS of pounds to legally migrate. And it takes years. It doesn’t happen overnight. There is a huge amount of paperwork.

You need to be able to show how you will support yourself for two years or show how your sponsor here will do this - bank account proof, employment records etc

Immigrants aren’t entitled to any benefits including housing for years while on leave to remain status. Yes you can use health services and your kids can go to school. Thats it.

So maybe stop believing all f the rhetoric because it’s just wrong.

How do I know? Yeah I went through it. I know. I stood in the home office line and handed over 27 documents to be approved. At least three times. And I’m from a Commonwealth English speaking country with a degree. So again crack a book.

Why so nasty?

What is this book called or is that just a snide insult?

Jennps · 31/07/2025 18:34

soupyspoon · 31/07/2025 18:29

Your doctor and dentist!! Lol

The poster is talking about some bog standard immigrants who may perceive a free for all, few boundaries, wont be questioned or challenged when spitting on the bus, cat calling girls, pushing in, not integrating, roaring along on scooters to do their latest drug deal, sitting around the 'barber' shop all day.

Not your bloody doctor and dentist!!

To be honest, posts like the one you quoted are a gift. Because they show how out of touch bleeding heart types are. It re-inforces the fact them standing on the sidelines shouting ‘oi racist’ at everyone should be ignored entirely.

TheGentleButFirmMadonna · 31/07/2025 18:34

Atallglassimdof · 30/07/2025 23:46

Not saying they are all low skilled workers but a fair number are… care home workers for example.

I bet you are foreign also. Just probably second generation. With British passport

Ohthatsabitshit · 31/07/2025 18:40

I think most of this nonsense IS fuelled by racism. It’s not how most people feel and I think it’s fairly important at the moment to speak up if you don’t share those fears about immigrants. Yes there are lawless arseholes who are all colours and faiths. The issue imo isn’t where they come from but how crime is policed. That’s not an “immigration” problem, that’s an internal one.

HelloPossible · 31/07/2025 18:43

Atallglassimdof · 31/07/2025 13:57

You don’t need any formal qualifications to work in a care home. You can literally take anyone of the street. Is it a difficult job? Yes, but it’s not highly skilled, that isn’t to say it’s not important, it is. But bring in 100000 of people to do?

Home carers have legal responsibilities, have to manage wounds, do medical procedures, medications and also have to have a good level of written English. I think the problem is carers are sent to peoples homes who aren’t suitable and the repercussions are swept under the carpet and elderly just end up in hospital.

My experience is the carers needed to be monitored, sometimes the people sent couldn’t even get into the house. Things didn’t really happen consistently for my family situation until we had obviously bright people, basically senior nurses/ paramedics/ pharmacists .(all from abroad) I am not convinced it’s a job anyone can do.

VaccineSticker · 31/07/2025 18:43

Fetaface · 31/07/2025 01:24

Who is Nigel?

No idea what you are on about. I read the data and now you're on about your mate from the chippy I think?

You did not read my sarcasm. (Sorry maybe it wasn’t clear.)

Fetaface · 31/07/2025 18:46

VaccineSticker · 31/07/2025 18:43

You did not read my sarcasm. (Sorry maybe it wasn’t clear.)

I read the sarcasm but still no idea who Nigel is! I figured it was meant to be that I have listened to someone called Nigel but who the fuck is Nigel? 😂

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 18:46

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Do you consider yourself racist @Extravirginolive ?

MalteserGeezee · 31/07/2025 18:48

I don't understand why care homes exist outside of the NHS. It should be truly cradle to grave. Why do you have to "pay" for having dementia, but are within the purview of the NHS if it's cancer?

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 18:48

Ohthatsabitshit · 31/07/2025 18:40

I think most of this nonsense IS fuelled by racism. It’s not how most people feel and I think it’s fairly important at the moment to speak up if you don’t share those fears about immigrants. Yes there are lawless arseholes who are all colours and faiths. The issue imo isn’t where they come from but how crime is policed. That’s not an “immigration” problem, that’s an internal one.

What exactly is nonsense?

Strawberrri · 31/07/2025 18:50

genesis92 · 31/07/2025 13:14

It’s truly frightening. Comment after comment showing complete lack of awareness and basic economics. There’s just in a huge echo chamber

Its going to implode

I'ts alright - they'll just arrest, imprison the people who stand up for British rights, call them racists and lock them up using our two tier policing.

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 18:50

Ohthatsabitshit · 31/07/2025 18:48

Do you consider yourself racist @Extravirginolive ?

What do you mean by racist?

EasternStandard · 31/07/2025 18:51

Ohthatsabitshit · 31/07/2025 18:40

I think most of this nonsense IS fuelled by racism. It’s not how most people feel and I think it’s fairly important at the moment to speak up if you don’t share those fears about immigrants. Yes there are lawless arseholes who are all colours and faiths. The issue imo isn’t where they come from but how crime is policed. That’s not an “immigration” problem, that’s an internal one.

So if you think it’s this then how would you want immigration to trend over next few decades? Is it at this rate which you’re ok with, higher? Any reduction at any point?

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 18:51

Negroany · 31/07/2025 18:27

Interesting. Because across that time frame, immigration figures are down.

Which suggests people questioning it very much are living in a bubble - a bubble of xenophobia and racism, fed to them by right wing commentators with their own agendas.

That’s simply not true.

Immigration isn’t “down, it’s down from a record spike.

Net migration peaked at a high of 840k in 2022. It dropped to 431k in 2024 but that’s still higher than any year pre-Brexit and 60% above 2019 levels. So it has not ‘gone down’, simply reduced from a massive high.

Equating concern about immigration with racism isn’t just wrong, it reeks of elitist snobbery. It’s a cheap way to dismiss real issues and look down on anyone who dares to speak up.

The increase of concern from 44% to 73% reflects growing anxiety around factors others posters have brought up (housing shortages, NHS strain, school capacity and pressure on wages). It is completely possible to support immigration in principle but still be critical of how it’s being managed.

Dismissing public concern as bigotry is itself a bubble. When 3/4 of survey respondents are worried about immigration, it’s a mainstream issue and reducing it to “right-wing propaganda” is simplistic and naive.

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 18:56

Ohthatsabitshit · 31/07/2025 18:40

I think most of this nonsense IS fuelled by racism. It’s not how most people feel and I think it’s fairly important at the moment to speak up if you don’t share those fears about immigrants. Yes there are lawless arseholes who are all colours and faiths. The issue imo isn’t where they come from but how crime is policed. That’s not an “immigration” problem, that’s an internal one.

This is categorically incorrect. Polls show that almost 3/4 of the country are worried about immigration. I think you must feel some sort of moral supremacy to accuse anyone who says they have a problem with immigration as a racist. Either that or just intentional blinkered living. It’s out of touch with reality.

AlertEagle · 31/07/2025 18:57

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 12:49

It used to, people used to be courteous and would assist a mother. It's called civility.

That's the problem, we've lost civility. It's a thin veneer a civilised society depends on.
I wonder if you have ever experienced it? The way you spoke to this poster makes me think not

And that's the problem.

The high trust society that we had is gone.

I have a problem with what she said because she said it’s specific nationalities she’s experienced it with. I can tell you I have these experiences with british people, english people, whatever nationality people you can think of. It doesnt come to one specific group of people from Europe or Africa. It comes down to the person to give you way, to get up and give you your seat. She was very specific calling them bulgarian turks I wonder if she went up to them and ask them if they are bulgarian turks. Theres no such thing there are turkish people who have settled in bulgaria and they are turkish just as much as she is but she hates her own people and felt the need to say that. Being a decent human being doesnt come down to where you come from. And if you dont agree with me calling her racist then you could agree shes very bias towards those people.

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 18:58

TaupeLemur · 31/07/2025 08:58

You’re making a lot of assumption there, cowboy! I work for a global company, many of our staff move around from office to office and a VP on package of around £3m has just relocated to England. They’ll be in that migrant number of 700k. But will bugger off in 4/5 years back home.
DP is a high earner - also from overseas. Been here 20 years, not so much as touch a benefit.
I’m not from here, high earner, been here 30 years - at one point t I was probably in a migrant number. I did start in low paid entry level jobs, again never had the need to take any benefits.
About a third of the families we know at school ( bog std state school) have one parent not from England/wales. Some came as students, some with jobs, some cos of family connections … all work, contribute, raise their kids here. Some may eventually leave or retire to home countries.
For some reason the Reform voters see migrant numbers and in their tiny little minds immediately picture hoards of penniless, not white, refugees who apparently are going to all be given council houses and tons of cash for nowt.

Why do you say "tiny little minds" in that contemptuous manner?

Does everyone with a different opinion to you have a "tiny little mind"?

You sound quite bigoted really. Intolerant of other peoples beliefs and opinions.

And interestingly only a quarter of the votes agree with you so there's definitely more"tiny little minds" on this thread than clever rich people like you and your friends.

That's interesting to my tiny little mind. Perhaps I need a richer person to explain it to me.

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 19:02

MikeRafone · 31/07/2025 18:57

https://imo.gov.qa/media-centre/press-releases/qatar-s--120-billion-a-year-contribution-to-the-uk-economy-presented-in-new-cebr-report

Take back control they said

Yet the Middle East is purchasing uk like there is no tomorrow, they are buying property off plan.

and all the time you are looking the other way at migration - which isn't the problem if you want Britain to remain British

Yes, they are buying up Russell Group Universities too.

soupyspoon · 31/07/2025 19:03

Negroany · 31/07/2025 18:33

Weirdly sounds like people think there are no indigenous (ha!) people who display these unpleasant traits.

Im not sure where anyone has said that, can you show us?

Ohthatsabitshit · 31/07/2025 19:04

Extravirginolive · 31/07/2025 18:50

What do you mean by racist?

its a fairly common word and easily looked up (though given your position it seems unlikely English isn’t your first language). From the first def a search threw up

“a person who believes that some races of people are better than others or who has general beliefs about other people based only on their race, and may show this in violent or unfair treatment of people of other races”.

You don’t have to answer if it makes you uncomfortable. It’s just extraordinary to me that anyone would post as you do, and not have thought about this.

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 19:05

AlertEagle · 31/07/2025 18:57

I have a problem with what she said because she said it’s specific nationalities she’s experienced it with. I can tell you I have these experiences with british people, english people, whatever nationality people you can think of. It doesnt come to one specific group of people from Europe or Africa. It comes down to the person to give you way, to get up and give you your seat. She was very specific calling them bulgarian turks I wonder if she went up to them and ask them if they are bulgarian turks. Theres no such thing there are turkish people who have settled in bulgaria and they are turkish just as much as she is but she hates her own people and felt the need to say that. Being a decent human being doesnt come down to where you come from. And if you dont agree with me calling her racist then you could agree shes very bias towards those people.

She quite possibly forgot the “,” between Bulgarian and Turks in that sentence. She also said that her background was Turkish. How a person behaves in public has everything to do with the cultural values they have been brought up with and they are not uniform across the world. If you take a bus in North London (for example), there are certain nationalities that are heavily represented in those areas so it is quite possible to have more people from one country versus another on a bus. It’s also very easy to identify nationalities and languages and again, that in itself does not make anyone a racist.

VaccineSticker · 31/07/2025 19:05

Problem is that when times are not good economically, people start to point fingers at different groups of people to blame to feel better; immigrants are an easy target. This ideology buys votes on election day when it comes to anyone with anti immigration manifesto.
Immigration has been happening for a long time everywhere. It is not unique to the UK.

Strawberrri · 31/07/2025 19:07

It’s laughable - the U.K. isn’t a rich country with jobs, housing for all. Don’t you wonder why people leave all the Muslim countries and, rather than sensibly move to another Muslim country, of which there are hundreds, move here -it’s because up until now we were a free minded, non-corrupt, live and let live country -free education and healthcare -so all these people from corrupt,cruel,racist, sexist, homophobic countries move here -and of course bring their racist etc attitudes with them. Destroy what we had once now that the incomers are at a high level.
Why do Brits move to Spain, France and Australia and not Pakistan, North Africa, India.

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