To vote for Jeremy Corbyn’s new party over Reform

[Bunion8]

Just wondering how people here are feeling politically these days — especially those who are disillusioned Starmer and the Tories.

With Reform UK gaining momentum and Jeremy Corbyn & Zarah Sultana launching a new left-wing party I’m curious:
If you had to choose between the two, which would you be more likely to vote for — and why?

I know they’re obviously very different politically, but both seem to be tapping into dissatisfaction with the status quo. Reform appeals to those who feel let down by immigration policy, the economy and ‘woke’ culture, while Corbyn’s party is focused on wealth inequality, public ownership, Gaza, and climate justice.

Would love to hear where people stand — especially if you don’t usually vote, or have changed political allegiances recently.

YABU - Vote Reform
YANBU - Vote JC

People can vote for and post about policies that are important to them. It’s not odd at all.

It is to posters like that PP!

I would never vote for either. If Corbyn got in my family and I would leave the UK. No idea where we would go and can’t believe that we are having to consider it. It’s so scary that so many support him and Sultana (& Reform).

I assume a chance to make a dig. Plenty of people vote for their own reasons. That’s the point of voting.

Why are you conflating British Jews experience of anti-semitism in the UK with Israeli government policy?

First time I've heard what's happening in education/SEND described as a 'niche issue'.

Welcome to MN 🙄

Things like this
It’s pointless to say anything though
apparently my family (in the UK for 100s of years not that it should matter) don’t have a right to not be discriminated against due to the horrific things happening in the ME. Things aren’t that horrible for us so we should pipe down.

Politically I have always been to the left and I was excited that Corbyn had leadership and hoped that this was a positive change.
But theres something about him that concerned me.
He was so stuck in his belief that he was right and others wrong. Refusing to engage or listen to others he didnt agree with. Even when he was blatantly wrong he refused to accept it. That stubbornness worried me. It felt very autocratic and thats a concern to me
I want someone in charge who is willing to debate, consider other options and actually listen to other points of view apart from his own.

Was supposed to quote this in my above post 🤦🏻‍♀️

Sorting out?? What are you talking about?

Do you remember when Liz Truss nearly ran the UK into the ground in a week, and the Conservatives stepped in to make it clear she had to change course, and they brought Jeremy Hunt in with a brief not to be a crazy zealot and bring things under control?

If Reform get in, it’ll be like that but with no emergency brake.

The reason Labour haven’t managed to move us into sunlit uplands is because we are in a massive hole, thanks to the triple blow of the financial crisis, the self-inflicted economic wound of Brexit and the overdue but still economically disastrous pandemic. And I’m not talking about how it was handled, the fact of it.

We are in the equivalent of a neglected house without the income to gut it and call in builders. We are basically shoring it up. Voting Reform is the equivalent of buying a tin of cheap paint and ignoring the cracks in the walls.

There are no easy answers btw - just try to maximise our income as much as possible, take enough tax to keep the show on the road and hope the global economy eventually gives us a boost. But with everyone around us also voting for bonkers populists, this is also unlikely.

I understand better and better these days why the deep economic hardship felt by the Germans in the 1930s led to the rise of fascism.

If those were my only two options I'd genuinely move abroad as either way, as a Jew not originally from the UK, I wouldn't exactly feel welcome here anymore 🙃

Parenting and education don’t go together at all ;

Beautifully put.
Except your analogy isn't quite right... voting reform would be like taking a sledgehammer to smash holes in the walls to hide the cracks, and then blaming it on the people down the road.

Because anti-semites will anti-semite

I think face for a butt but then think but how do you poo? Awful.
God. Willys for toes. Under duress obvs.

Something tells me that OP is not the most astute political observer. Asking a group of people to choose between Reform and Magic Grandpa’s party as though they are an alternative for each other.

Who is going to tell the poster that Rachel from accounts has done more harm to the economy than Liz Truss. The market says so through the rate of borrowing.

I mean, what has the Archangel Gabriel ever done? Not a single achievement to his name. A perennial sidekick. A toady, basically.

Whereas Lucifer- ambitious, driven. Has overcome setbacks like being cast out of Heaven. Established his own realm, with a really strong brand and high-profile policies. Still going strong and, if the polls are anything to go by, adding to his cohort month on month. You may not like him, but you can't deny he's made a go of a tough situation.

So, given the choice, I'd vote Lucifer simply because he has been more successful cosmically.

If I absolutely had to choose, it would have to be Corbyn. But even though I am frustrated by and angry with Labour at the moment, I can’t imagine voting for any other party. It is still closer to my core beliefs than any other party.

The country is heading for bankruptcy we’re struggling to keep up interest payments. Theirs is a harsh reality we need to address. I get the impression many don’t see where the country is heading. People just believe everything the BBC tell them, such as covid will kill everyone, jabs will stop you getting covid, Ukraine are winning the war, Global warming, immigration is great for the country and if you question anything you’re a thick racist.

Don’t care Reform are worth a try but at least Corbyn party aren’t all liberals they’re socialists. Corbyn was not against Brexit and does not support mass immigration the way the liberals do, as they acknowledge that mass migration leaves the poor poorer. Corbyn is also not up for continuing wars we cannot win or sticking our noses into other countries business and encouraging wars as a way to drain their resources.

As long as they’re not globalist liberals I think it’s an improvement.

From the two mentioned, I would vote for Reform.

I don't agree with the socialist idea of open borders which would come with the far left party.

Neither by preference. One Trick Pony Farage or Not Got A Bloody Clue Corbyn aren’t real choices.🤷‍♀️

But, if I was compelled to vote, then I’d risk Reform over Corbyn.

Corbyn is not far left - he is a bog standard social democrat. It’s just our country has moved so far to the right that even moderate he is regarded as extreme.

Quite.

I’ve moved from the left towards the centre over the last fifty years, as many people do as they accumulate age and wealth, but I’m now further to the left of the Labour party than I was when I was eighteen - because they’ve been sidling right a lot faster than me.