To vote for Jeremy Corbyn’s new party over Reform

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Just wondering how people here are feeling politically these days — especially those who are disillusioned Starmer and the Tories.

With Reform UK gaining momentum and Jeremy Corbyn & Zarah Sultana launching a new left-wing party I’m curious:
If you had to choose between the two, which would you be more likely to vote for — and why?

I know they’re obviously very different politically, but both seem to be tapping into dissatisfaction with the status quo. Reform appeals to those who feel let down by immigration policy, the economy and ‘woke’ culture, while Corbyn’s party is focused on wealth inequality, public ownership, Gaza, and climate justice.

Would love to hear where people stand — especially if you don’t usually vote, or have changed political allegiances recently.

YABU - Vote Reform
YANBU - Vote JC

So because Labour failed to unite the country, you have decided to vote for the most divisive and hateful party that there is?

Don't really follow the logic but each to their own.

Oh absolutely. In a binary choice between the two, I'd be voting "Your Party".

Absent a binary, I'd certainly vote for Labour, Lib Dems, Greens or Plaid Cymru ahead of YP, based on Corbyn's involvement. I'd even, for the first time ever, consider the Tories.

And this is precisely the sort of casual racism that puts me off anything with the stench of Corbyn on it.

I assume it's VAT on private school fees. I rarely see @twistyizzy post about anything else.

It's a strange hill to choose to die on, imo, but it's a democracy and she's free to vote on the basis of any niche issue that she chooses, I suppose.

Odd set of priorities though.

The same voters are unlikely to vote for the other. One is extreme right wing , the other extreme left wing

I wouldn’t vote for either but I suspect the people who will know if they’re left or right and will vote accordingly

Corbyn of course. He is a wonderful example to humanity.

I think it's incredibly harsh to vote for a party that will take the NHS away from future generations, considering most of us have benefited from it at some point in our lives. I couldn't do that to my own family.

I also don't believe the NHS is worth sacrificing to stop 40,000 boat people a year from claiming asylum. Farage hasn't even laid out a plan as to how he is going to stop the boats. The Channel is bigger than people give it credit for, and not easy to patrol. In any case, we're surrouded by sea, they'll find a different route. Stopping the boats simply isn't going to happen.

In total we get around 100,000 asylum seekers applications every year, 52% of which are refused.

100,000 asylum applications is about the same number we were getting back in 2002. I don't think the NHS is worth sacrificing for a number of asylum applications that is still low compared to other similar countries.

Considering 520,000 people emigrate from the UK to somewhere else every year, and net migration is already starting to drop as of December due to higher levels of emigration out if the UK and lower levels of immigration into the UK, I don't understand why asylum seekers are once again seen as The Big Problem? As in, "worth getting rid of the NHS for". Which is something that Farage has told us how he would do, by stopping its funding.

Unlike the boats, where he has no plan.

I tend to agree with this.

A bit like Trump's first win, I suspect many voted mainly to punish the Democrats and more conventional Republicans for failing to listen.

When voters feel like they are being ignored by all parties election after election, they can make quite radical decisions at the polls because it's really the only way to make their point.

And the frustrating thing about it, of course, is that Farage/Brexit caused the spike in illegal immigration in the first place (as we lost the ability to return asylum seekers to the first EU country they entered).

And in order to implement the more "radical" solutions to this problem, we're going to have to leave the European Convention on Human Rights, which is what Reform want to do.

I'm not delighted at the prospect of giving up our human rights, particularly as a means for Farage to solve a problem that he's largely responsible for.

I expect thats what will happen, though.

I guess that's the problem - large swathes of the public vote for a mess, after being taken in by simplistic and deceptive soundbites, then blame readonable politicians for "not listening".

I think a coalition Corbyn Party-Reform government could be quite harmonious actually. They’re both parties full of racists and self-important fools. And they’d both spend public money like water.

Of course the harmony would only be between the coalition partners. The country would be shat on.

I post mainly about education, not exclusively VAT. I work in education as well as having a child in it so yeh it's hugely important to me.

It's only an odd hill to you because you support the ideology. It's not an odd hill of you are aware of the impact especially on teachers and children.

I will vote for the only other option in my area, which is Reform. Any other vote is a wasted vote. I want Labour out therefore I will vote for the only party who can get them out in my area.
Shocking that people can't understand this.
Red Wall has/is falling to Reform.

Yep. It's the same where I live (red wall). It's either Labour or Reform, as it was at the last GE, and will be next time. The tories and lib dems barely feature and are a wasted vote. Also see the Runcorn by election. The evidence is there for those who choose to see.

Reform came second in almost 100 Labour won seats at the GE so I don't see why some pps find it so difficult to understand. In the recent MRP poll, Angela Rayner is predicted to lose her seat to Reform.

Wow! You really just said the quiet part out loud!

Reform can get in the bin.

Reform for me. What other choice do we have? Whole country is in shambles thanks to labour.

I’m team Corbyn…i joined the Labour Party because of him and finally left when KS was being a dick to AR last year. I’ve signed up to JC emails/party and I’m hoping to get heavily involved. I didn’t vote for KS at any point…he was never my leader. I voted Green in the General Election, I have never trusted KS.

No its not.
If the things you hold dear are shat on from a great height by the current government, you tend not to vote for them again.

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You cant trust any of them. Manifesto promises, pledges etc are not legally binding so dont expect anything they say to happen.

A lot of politicians have no little or experience of real life skills, A degree in politics/history gets you nowhere.

I think Clive Lewis would make a good leader for the new party, if he decides to join it. He's intelligent, articulate and principled and comes across as a very decent person.

Hes come out as saying he’s sticking with Labour, which is a shame as he is great.

I can see a lot of the media lies and tactics haven’t been forgotten, including the antisemitism. Always question why those with power are so desperate to discredit someone and prevent them from power. It’ll never be in the interest of the average person.

But yeah, let’s ignore all those threads about education funding and A&E wait times because it’s too extreme to vote for anyone who’ll actually tackle these issues. Just look at how his local community sees him.

The whole point of democracy is that you vote for whichever party you want for whatever reason you want. I won’t be voting for Jezza’s party under any circumstances, but I would defend your right to do so.

Actually, Corbyn was/is against the bombing of hospitals and starvation of children.

Perdonally I question why Jewish leaders in this country were so against someone who actively wanted to stop this while not voicing concerns now.