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To not want to look after my daughter any more

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Goaheadflameme · 27/07/2025 17:58

My daughter is 8. She is recently diagnosed with autism. No problems at school but a nightmare at home.

Predictably, being out of the school routine has made her challenging behaviour more challenging. She regularly tells me she hates me, wishes I was dead, that things would be better without me. Everytime
I say something she mocks me. She won’t do anything she is told and consequences are meaningless as she just doesn’t care. Today she has also thrown food round the living room and when I tried to stop this she has violently attacked me multiple times. Previously she has broken my finger and scratched me to the extent that I was hospitalised due to a serious infection in my arm.

I just honestly can’t do it any more. This has been going on for more than two years now. It’s completely ruining me, my relationship with my husband and our family life (we have other children). The violence triggers me so badly due to childhood abuse and I don’t feel safe in my own home.

Do social services take children away in these circumstances?

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PoxyAndIKnowIt · 28/07/2025 11:49

And "professional experience" of what @BabyCatFace ?

Again, you're explaining nothing.

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 11:50

x2boys · 28/07/2025 11:44

Money
It's expensive to run two households lots of families just can't afford it
So in reality we just muddle along as best we can.

Yes I get that. You're personalising what I've said for some reason when you really don't need to.
posters were saying that the child should be put in care if she's aggressive to her siblings. I said that she shouldn't, that if the only way to protect the siblings from the child is by the child not living with the siblings, the way to do that is by the parents living separately. I didn't say that was a good solution for any family, but it's better than the alternative that PP were proposing which was that the child goes into care.
of course having two households is expensive. I'm very aware, since I did that with my ex husband due to relationship breakdown. But people do it all the time. As you say they 'muddle through'. So if the hypothetical child needs to be separated from her siblings then the parents need to 'muddle through' to achieve that, not expect to be able to put the child in care.

x2boys · 28/07/2025 11:54

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 11:50

Yes I get that. You're personalising what I've said for some reason when you really don't need to.
posters were saying that the child should be put in care if she's aggressive to her siblings. I said that she shouldn't, that if the only way to protect the siblings from the child is by the child not living with the siblings, the way to do that is by the parents living separately. I didn't say that was a good solution for any family, but it's better than the alternative that PP were proposing which was that the child goes into care.
of course having two households is expensive. I'm very aware, since I did that with my ex husband due to relationship breakdown. But people do it all the time. As you say they 'muddle through'. So if the hypothetical child needs to be separated from her siblings then the parents need to 'muddle through' to achieve that, not expect to be able to put the child in care.

I completely agree the child shouldn't be put into care on a whim like posters are suggesting it should be the very last resort
But I'm not understanding how people can afford to run two house holds either .

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 11:55

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 10:44

Have studies been done on the effects to other children in the house of living with a violent sibling, both long-term and short-term, from childhood through to adulthood?

If so, what did they show?

If none have been done, how can social services be sure that keeping violent children in the home is in the best interests of the family as a whole?

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@Hibernatingtilspring You seem very reluctant to answer my question. I therefore looked to see if any studies had been done.

Surprisingly there aren’t as many as I would expect, those I have found all make reference to the dearth of studies probably being due to sibling violence being seen as a normal part of growing up. However they are at pains to point out that violence between siblings is very different from normal low-level squabbles and disagreements.

Unsurprisingly the studies into sibling violence show that the victims who grow up with violent siblings in the home:

  • are more likely to develop substance abuse issues as adults
  • are more likely to become victims of domestic abuse
  • are less able to identify abusive relationships as adults
  • are more likely to suffer relationship breakdowns as adults
  • have poorer mental health and low self-esteem as adults
  • have lower educational attainment and work success due to childhood belittling
  • have riskier sexual encounters
  • are desensitised to violence and may themselves become perpetrators
  • are more likely to need support from state agencies in their adult lives

I’m surprised that social services do not take into account future harms when looking to ‘support’ families of violent children.

I can only assume that this is due to lack of awareness. Because otherwise social services are knowingly and deliberately putting the future well-being of those siblings at risk.

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 11:56

PoxyAndIKnowIt · 28/07/2025 11:49

And "professional experience" of what @BabyCatFace ?

Again, you're explaining nothing.

Social work. Many many times I've been asked to take a child into care. I've had to tell parents to get to the office and collect their child before I call the police. I've sat in an office with a child until 9pm waiting for a family to find a relative for them to go to.

I don't understand why my posts about parents living separately has been so taken out of context. Obviously I wasn't recommending that as a good solution for any family. But as a last resort why would this be a worse solution than putting a child in care?

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 11:57

x2boys · 28/07/2025 11:54

I completely agree the child shouldn't be put into care on a whim like posters are suggesting it should be the very last resort
But I'm not understanding how people can afford to run two house holds either .

It's hard and shit of course. If they are in social housing and have a social worker allocated they might get help to be housed separately but otherwise it's as hard as it is for any other couple to separate and provide housing for children across two households.

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 11:59

@BabyCatFaceI am utterly unsurprised you’re a social worker.

PoxyAndIKnowIt · 28/07/2025 12:01

@BabyCatFace youre missing the frankly obvious and much easier option of just bloody helping the violent child and their family. Children's behaviour can very often be helped and improved rather than just suffered and dealt with until they're old enough to abandon.
Maybe let them be seen by a psychologist or psychiatrist? Take medication? Have some therapy?
I appreciate that that is not under the control of SS.

Violence behaviour is far better addressed with medication than a (heart)broken family. Breaking up a family is traumatic and detrimental to all involved, including those you're suggesting it would help.

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 12:05

PoxyAndIKnowIt · 28/07/2025 12:01

@BabyCatFace youre missing the frankly obvious and much easier option of just bloody helping the violent child and their family. Children's behaviour can very often be helped and improved rather than just suffered and dealt with until they're old enough to abandon.
Maybe let them be seen by a psychologist or psychiatrist? Take medication? Have some therapy?
I appreciate that that is not under the control of SS.

Violence behaviour is far better addressed with medication than a (heart)broken family. Breaking up a family is traumatic and detrimental to all involved, including those you're suggesting it would help.

No I'm not missing that at all. Because that was never the question I was responding to. Of course families need help and they get help within what is physically possible for services to provide. But in the hypothetical event that a previous poster suggested where a child is being violent to their siblings and the parents can't manage that safely in the home, the hypothetical parents should not expect the state to house their child in foster care but should explore living separately and caring for the siblings across different households

is that clear enough? I never once said this is a good solution, or the first thing to try, or what people are expected to do. But it should be the solution that is considered before considering placing a child in care. Is that clear now?

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 12:07

But as a last resort why would this be a worse solution than putting a child in care?”

@BabyCatFace Because children growing up in broken homes are more likely to suffer long-lasting adverse outcomes than those who grow up in stable two-parent households.

Families suffer natural breakdowns when the parents cannot make the relationship work. That is quite different from what you are proposing. By the time parents split up they have usually tried everything else available to them and there is nowhere else to go. Splitting up is a last resort because parents are fully aware that single-parent households can negatively affect the children, even though they try to mitigate this. There may also be detrimental effects on the parents themselves as they become financially disadvantaged and may resent the individual responsible for this. These outcomes end up as societal negatives.

What you are advocating is deliberately pushing negative outcomes onto those individuals (and therefore society as a whole) in order to lessen the negative outcome on one member of the family.

For a family of two adults and four children prioritising the need of one individual over the needs of the remaining five seems perverse. The maths simply doesn’t add up.

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 12:09

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 12:07

But as a last resort why would this be a worse solution than putting a child in care?”

@BabyCatFace Because children growing up in broken homes are more likely to suffer long-lasting adverse outcomes than those who grow up in stable two-parent households.

Families suffer natural breakdowns when the parents cannot make the relationship work. That is quite different from what you are proposing. By the time parents split up they have usually tried everything else available to them and there is nowhere else to go. Splitting up is a last resort because parents are fully aware that single-parent households can negatively affect the children, even though they try to mitigate this. There may also be detrimental effects on the parents themselves as they become financially disadvantaged and may resent the individual responsible for this. These outcomes end up as societal negatives.

What you are advocating is deliberately pushing negative outcomes onto those individuals (and therefore society as a whole) in order to lessen the negative outcome on one member of the family.

For a family of two adults and four children prioritising the need of one individual over the needs of the remaining five seems perverse. The maths simply doesn’t add up.

That's a very utilitarian view of 'best outcomes' which is not holistic or systemic and absolutely not the 'correct' position. It might be the position you would advocate for your children but most parents don't feel the same and children's services definitely don't take that position.

ClosetBasketCase · 28/07/2025 12:09

This is why the residential facilities should have remained open.
I think it was better when that was an option - somehwere safe in secluded surroundings that kept everyone safe. Now for some completly unknown reaosn the emphasis is on "keeping the family together" often to the detriment of the rest of the family.

Next time she does something OP i would be looking at acalling the police, or taking her to A&E and saying you cant cope anymore.

LadyPenelope68 · 28/07/2025 12:10

ForrinMummy · 27/07/2025 18:05

This is horrendous. Even worse, in extremis they would take your other children away (or to live separately with their Dad) and leave you, alone and unsupported with her.

Absolute rubbish, they wouldn’t do that.

x2boys · 28/07/2025 12:11

ClosetBasketCase · 28/07/2025 12:09

This is why the residential facilities should have remained open.
I think it was better when that was an option - somehwere safe in secluded surroundings that kept everyone safe. Now for some completly unknown reaosn the emphasis is on "keeping the family together" often to the detriment of the rest of the family.

Next time she does something OP i would be looking at acalling the police, or taking her to A&E and saying you cant cope anymore.

First of all we don't lock up disabled children anymore thankfully
And what do you think will happen if the Op takes their 8 year old to A and E and say they can't cope ?

DemBonesDemBones · 28/07/2025 12:12

I’ve genuinely considered whether taking my own life would save my other children from the hell they’re living. I’d do that sooner than be separated from them and my husband.

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PoxyAndIKnowIt · 28/07/2025 12:13

@BabyCatFace your point was never unclear, it was your reasoning behind it and lack of explanation for it.

where a child is being violent to their siblings and the parents can't manage that safely in the home, the hypothetical parents should not expect the state to house their child in foster care but should explore living separately and caring for the siblings across different households

Nope. Again that's opinion stated as fact. Why shouldn't the state help? Who does deserve help from agencies?

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 12:14

BabyCatFace · 28/07/2025 12:09

That's a very utilitarian view of 'best outcomes' which is not holistic or systemic and absolutely not the 'correct' position. It might be the position you would advocate for your children but most parents don't feel the same and children's services definitely don't take that position.

I’m beginning to suspect this may be at the heart of why we have so many young adults in mental health crises. Social Services, as you say, “don’t take that position” when it comes to looking at the greater well-being of the family over the needs of the challenging child.

Siblings of violent children grow up themselves and they carry those mental scars with them. What then?

Huhuhuhu39272 · 28/07/2025 12:14

Something very much not right here
I’ve seen this behaviour in (specifically female) child victims of abuse, the anger

x2boys · 28/07/2025 12:17

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 12:14

I’m beginning to suspect this may be at the heart of why we have so many young adults in mental health crises. Social Services, as you say, “don’t take that position” when it comes to looking at the greater well-being of the family over the needs of the challenging child.

Siblings of violent children grow up themselves and they carry those mental scars with them. What then?

Siblings of children with disabilities and challenging behaviour also love their siblings
They don't want their family torn apart.

PoxyAndIKnowIt · 28/07/2025 12:20

x2boys · 28/07/2025 12:17

Siblings of children with disabilities and challenging behaviour also love their siblings
They don't want their family torn apart.

So important and so true. Glad someone mentioned it.

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 12:22

x2boys · 28/07/2025 12:17

Siblings of children with disabilities and challenging behaviour also love their siblings
They don't want their family torn apart.

They’d probably prefer that their sibling had regular residential placements so they had a break from both witnessing and being on the receiving end of daily violence, though.

Can’t be nice to grow up dreading going home after school because your sibling makes home a dangerous and unpleasant place to be, can it?

Hibernatingtilspring · 28/07/2025 12:22

@EviesHat it's extremely difficult to 'study' due to there being so many variables that you generally end up comparing apples and oranges.

Mostly it's feedback (via charities and campaigners) by people who have experienced the system - those in care and those not.

As I said though I'm not interested in giving you detailed answers because I don't for a second believe you are a genuine poster, and I think it's horrible for the OP that you and others have hijacked their thread for their own entertainment.

x2boys · 28/07/2025 12:24

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 12:22

They’d probably prefer that their sibling had regular residential placements so they had a break from both witnessing and being on the receiving end of daily violence, though.

Can’t be nice to grow up dreading going home after school because your sibling makes home a dangerous and unpleasant place to be, can it?

Have you asked them ?
No of course you haven't you have just invented your own narrative for some reason
My oldest sin would be devastated of his brother was taken from our family becsuse despite everything he loves him very much.

EviesHat · 28/07/2025 12:29

@Hibernatingtilspring ”…I'm not interested in giving you detailed answers because I don't for a second believe you are a genuine poster…”

Translation: I know my position is untenable, prioritising the rights of a violent individual over the rights of innocent children can never be defended, so instead I will libel you in an attempt to cover up the state’s collusion in facilitating lifelong harms in the siblings of violent children.

Got it.