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To feel like DIL wants the money but not a relationship with us?

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grannyhasaq · 26/07/2025 14:43

My son and his wife have three children under 10. Over the years, my husband and I have supported them financially in many ways: we gave them a substantial deposit for their house, paid for years of nursery fees, gifted him a larger car when their family grew (as a result they own a car each), helped with holidays, and pay for 2 of the children’s private school, among other things.

We’ve always said we’re happy to support our children. We do it because we want our children to live a comfortable life, not expecting anything in return. But as a family we are close, and have always had a warm relationship. We’ve done the same for one of our daughters, who has two children and stays at home full-time. In her case, we help with monthly expenses so she doesn’t have to return to work. She’s warm, appreciative, involves us in her day-to-day life, and we feel like we’re part of their family.

My DIL, however, is a different story. She also wants to be a stay-at-home mum — but my son prefers that she keeps working part-time. He’s said she struggled quite badly with her mental health when she was home full-time during maternity leave (she’s admitted to this too), and that the structure and balance of part-time work is healthier for both of them. During each of her maternity leaves he said they’d argue far more and came close to divorce on a couple of occasions.

That said, she’s made it clear more than once that she expected us to step in financially so she could stop working, like our daughter has. She’s asked outright. We said no, kindly but firmly, because it’s not in our son’s interests. We’ve supported them in many other ways, but we’ve never agreed to fully fund a lifestyle that our own son isn’t comfortable with.

Since then, the tone with her has changed. She’s polite when we see each other, but cold. I’m never invited over unless my son arranges it (which is fine - we’re his family), but even then occasionally after he’s arranged it I’ll get a message or call giving me exact times when I have to leave. This isn’t at all like my son and I know by his voice this isn’t coming from him and he feels uncomfortable with the tight rules and restrictions on when his parents can visit. If I offer to babysit, she’s “already asked her mum.”, although she’s also mentioned her mum finds babysitting hard and has asked my son to pay for a regular babysitter or nanny during the week so she can have time off. If I drop things off for the kids, she’s stiff and awkward, like I’ve overstepped. She makes passive comments “well, some mums get to be at home”. Her own mum lives further away but is at their house far more often than I am.

There are other things too. My daughter (who is close to my son) told me he actually got into trouble recently for taking the children to see us one Saturday while DIL was out with a friend. She’d apparently told him she wanted him to spend the day “just with the kids,” as if including their grandparents somehow made it less valid.

And one incident still sits badly with me. I had pre-arranged a quick Sunday morning visit, brought pastries which they’ve previously liked, and while she was polite, as I left, I clearly heard her say: “I just don’t want them getting used to seeing her this often.” For context: we live 15 minutes away, and I see the children once a week for a few hours, sometimes less.

It’s honestly got me to the point where I’m thinking about taking the kids and my son to Disney for a long weekend. I’d pay for the trip — hotel, park tickets, travel — and I’d invite her along if she wants to come, but she’d need to cover her own costs. If she thinks she sees too much of me, I don’t want to impose. I was going to position it as “you deserve a break!” but truthfully, I just feel worn down. If I’m not wanted in the day-to-day, maybe I’ll put my energy into the bits where I am welcome.

AIBU to feel like she wants the benefits of having generous in-laws — without actually having to deal with us? I’ve never overstepped, I’ve never criticised her parenting, I’ve done everything “right”… and I still feel like I’m being treated as a bit of a problem.

OP posts:
Diarygirlqueen · 26/07/2025 16:34

junkmaail · 26/07/2025 16:30

Of course she sounds like a bitch. That’s what the Op made her sound like.

Because mumsnet is one sided, what's your point? We all make opinions on what is wrote?

DomPom47 · 26/07/2025 16:35

You're not being unreasonable to feel a tad disheartened — you've offered support, both emotional and financial, out of love and a want to help your son’s family unit. I think you need to protect your emotional energy as you will continue to feel sad about this situation.

I would say have a word with your son but I don’t think things will change as she seems quite controlling with respect to how much time you get with the grandkids - despite her gladly taking monetary gifts and also having the audacity to demand more. She does not sound at all grateful or graceful.

As an aside was the deposit you gave for their home formally recorded as a gift specifically to your - I am asking in terms of a future potential divorce where he has safeguards in place should the marriage ever come under strain.

Your daughter in law from what I have read does not sound easy.

Wishing you and your son the best 🌺

alcoholnightmare · 26/07/2025 16:36

Also - your daughter is warm and lovely and you see her and her children loads?
so is my SIL to my in laws - they bought her a house and she works PT.
meanwhile my husband and his brother work and work and work to afford to live the same lifestyle, so see parents less. They all went to exactly the same private school, same fancy holidays, same opportunities in life, all had uni paid for.

Starseeking · 26/07/2025 16:36

Do you want your son and DIL to divorce??? I ask because surely you can see the huge wedge you would drive between them if you and your DS followed through with your Disneyland plan.

Aside that, you need to make it clear you are not funding them to allow her to be a SAHM because your DS has asked you not to, then leave it at that.

ShesTheAlbatross · 26/07/2025 16:37

cremedelacraps · 26/07/2025 15:09

I disagree. Yes, it is one-sided. Of course it is, it's the OP posting her story.

All posts are obviously one sided but the Disney thing clearly shows an element to me at least that the DIL will have a very different perspective.

Totally agree. I think it would be a way of using money to control the situation and get back at the DIL. So it makes me wonder about the rest of the story and how the money is given.

But I’d also say that the DIL is in the wrong to be asking to be paid to stay home.

Robin67 · 26/07/2025 16:37

HardworkSendHelp · 26/07/2025 14:54

I would cut all financial support and let her work it out herself. She does sound hard work.

This. She needs to grow up. No one owes her a cushty stay at home lifestyle. She needs to keep her jealousy in check and either live within her already heavily subsidised means or increase her skill set so she can have a more lucrative job that pays enough for her to work less hours.

YANBU

I would not take the kids out of private school if you are doing this for the other set of GC.

Consider splitting your will to be split equally over n people where n=all children+ all grandchildren. You are then being fair but as his split will be less, she won't claim a right to as much of it. She sounds simply awful.

KnewYearKnewMe · 26/07/2025 16:38

@bumblecoach- I think you’re conflating treating your family and ensuring they have ‘enough’ if you can, with supporting them entirely.

have you seen the mental health issues people who have never worked and/or been able to achieve their own self-worth have had?

our own Royal Family, for example?

of course @tumblingdowntherabbitholeis right - having a major part of your life style funded by your parents, as OP is doing to her kids, is awful for your self esteem and self worth.

Boomer55 · 26/07/2025 16:39

grannyhasaq · 26/07/2025 14:43

My son and his wife have three children under 10. Over the years, my husband and I have supported them financially in many ways: we gave them a substantial deposit for their house, paid for years of nursery fees, gifted him a larger car when their family grew (as a result they own a car each), helped with holidays, and pay for 2 of the children’s private school, among other things.

We’ve always said we’re happy to support our children. We do it because we want our children to live a comfortable life, not expecting anything in return. But as a family we are close, and have always had a warm relationship. We’ve done the same for one of our daughters, who has two children and stays at home full-time. In her case, we help with monthly expenses so she doesn’t have to return to work. She’s warm, appreciative, involves us in her day-to-day life, and we feel like we’re part of their family.

My DIL, however, is a different story. She also wants to be a stay-at-home mum — but my son prefers that she keeps working part-time. He’s said she struggled quite badly with her mental health when she was home full-time during maternity leave (she’s admitted to this too), and that the structure and balance of part-time work is healthier for both of them. During each of her maternity leaves he said they’d argue far more and came close to divorce on a couple of occasions.

That said, she’s made it clear more than once that she expected us to step in financially so she could stop working, like our daughter has. She’s asked outright. We said no, kindly but firmly, because it’s not in our son’s interests. We’ve supported them in many other ways, but we’ve never agreed to fully fund a lifestyle that our own son isn’t comfortable with.

Since then, the tone with her has changed. She’s polite when we see each other, but cold. I’m never invited over unless my son arranges it (which is fine - we’re his family), but even then occasionally after he’s arranged it I’ll get a message or call giving me exact times when I have to leave. This isn’t at all like my son and I know by his voice this isn’t coming from him and he feels uncomfortable with the tight rules and restrictions on when his parents can visit. If I offer to babysit, she’s “already asked her mum.”, although she’s also mentioned her mum finds babysitting hard and has asked my son to pay for a regular babysitter or nanny during the week so she can have time off. If I drop things off for the kids, she’s stiff and awkward, like I’ve overstepped. She makes passive comments “well, some mums get to be at home”. Her own mum lives further away but is at their house far more often than I am.

There are other things too. My daughter (who is close to my son) told me he actually got into trouble recently for taking the children to see us one Saturday while DIL was out with a friend. She’d apparently told him she wanted him to spend the day “just with the kids,” as if including their grandparents somehow made it less valid.

And one incident still sits badly with me. I had pre-arranged a quick Sunday morning visit, brought pastries which they’ve previously liked, and while she was polite, as I left, I clearly heard her say: “I just don’t want them getting used to seeing her this often.” For context: we live 15 minutes away, and I see the children once a week for a few hours, sometimes less.

It’s honestly got me to the point where I’m thinking about taking the kids and my son to Disney for a long weekend. I’d pay for the trip — hotel, park tickets, travel — and I’d invite her along if she wants to come, but she’d need to cover her own costs. If she thinks she sees too much of me, I don’t want to impose. I was going to position it as “you deserve a break!” but truthfully, I just feel worn down. If I’m not wanted in the day-to-day, maybe I’ll put my energy into the bits where I am welcome.

AIBU to feel like she wants the benefits of having generous in-laws — without actually having to deal with us? I’ve never overstepped, I’ve never criticised her parenting, I’ve done everything “right”… and I still feel like I’m being treated as a bit of a problem.

Cut all financial support. They are both adults and should’ve supporting themselves and the children.

Your DIL really is taking the rise.

bumblecoach · 26/07/2025 16:40

KnewYearKnewMe · 26/07/2025 16:38

@bumblecoach- I think you’re conflating treating your family and ensuring they have ‘enough’ if you can, with supporting them entirely.

have you seen the mental health issues people who have never worked and/or been able to achieve their own self-worth have had?

our own Royal Family, for example?

of course @tumblingdowntherabbitholeis right - having a major part of your life style funded by your parents, as OP is doing to her kids, is awful for your self esteem and self worth.

It doesn’t sound as though she’s doing the Sainsbury’s shop for them.

Summercocktailsgalore · 26/07/2025 16:40

I would arrange a meeting with your son and DIL.
I would state to them the financial support you have given th family since children born. I would tell them when your DIL asked you to give her a yearly salary to not work, you declined. Since then your DIL attitude and change in seeing your son and grandchildren, plus direct comments made means you need to reavaluate your financial support.

So: no more holidays paid for them to go away. You of course will take them away with you but aware your DIL not want that. No more buying cars, not oay8mg bay shutters or nanny etc.
and will consider not paying private school fees as you are obviously not welcome. If you not welcome, nor is your money.

however, her um is happy to pay all of these things,

Shoes232 · 26/07/2025 16:40

Have you thought about why your using money as a weapon?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 26/07/2025 16:40

bumblecoach · 26/07/2025 16:34

This is such a weird way to look at it.
And a very recent byproduct of capitalism sadly people have become selfish cunts
My soul purpose in this world used to ensure my children thrive, My money is their money and if I needed it, it would flow back the other way, but it never would.
Really sad reflection on society that that’s not people’s view, because we’d all be better for it

It's not weird in the slightest. At some point, people have to grow up and stop depending on mummy and daddy to fund their lifestyles.

I'd be mortified to be a parent of multiple children while still getting my parents to buy me shit.

Robin67 · 26/07/2025 16:41

grannyhasaq · 26/07/2025 14:56

@JealousyIsADiseasesorry if that’s how the post came across but I didn’t share anything that my son said in private, I only said that I would do it if there’s agreement between the two, but it’s not a secret (to her, to us, or to anyone) that my son would oppose her being a SAHM. There’s no evidence of offloading (and anything he says in private stays private) - it was a discussion, or multiple, where she’d push for us to pay the equivalent of her wages if she became a SAHM and my son openly saying that’s not a good idea.

Wow! The stones on this chick! She actually outright asked you to pay a regular wage for her to be a SAHM. The hands down winner for being a CF out of any thread I have read. What is her justification for being owed this?

deathlydull · 26/07/2025 16:41

Too much money, too much enmeshment. Not enough discretion. How does your DIL even know you give money to your DD so she can stay at home?

bellamorgan · 26/07/2025 16:41

This is the crux the nail in the head.

Op wants mother treatment from her DIL

Op wants to treat the DIL as a DIL.

she can’t have both. If you won’t treat dil like a daughter don’t expect her to treat you like her mum.

Your money that you’ve given is for your son and grandchildren. She benefits as a by stander as a person in the house. Not because you shower her with love and money.

Her mother she calls because she’s her mother because she connects with her and feels safe with her not because her mother throws money at her children and husband.

Once a week is a lot of seeing grandchildren just because your daughter is home all day not working so has more time your DIL doesn’t.

Even if she only works part time that’s less time with her children without obligations than your daughter and your daughter wants to see you regardless of the grandchildren because she’s your daughter you see the children more as a by product of your daughter wanting to see you.

Thatsalineallright · 26/07/2025 16:42

HoskinsChoice · 26/07/2025 16:29

Are you proud of your children? I would be utterly ashamed of mine if they took the level of money that your son is sponging off you but your daughter is another level.

I've accepted a lot of help from my parents over the years. Help to buy a property for starters.

I also work, contribute to society, help my parents with day-to-day stuff. I really don't see myself as sponging off anyone. The money is freely and generously given. I know I don't deserve it but does anyone ever deserve gifts?

If my parents for any reason decided not to offer anymore financial help, I'd be perfectly fine carrying on regardless. Nothing the OP has said makes her DC sound different.

My parents worked hard for what they earned and have been very lucky. They get joy out of sharing that luck and the result of their hard work with their children and grandchildren. I imagine the OP enjoys knowing her grandchildren are well taken care of and that she's able to reduce some of the stress her children are under.

I don't think that's unusual. What's unusual is the scale of wealth meaning the OP can share more than most. But as a percentage I'd bet many parents and grandparents do the same.

That said, if the DIL is truly as unappreciative and demanding as she sounds, then I don't think the OP should give her another penny.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 26/07/2025 16:43

having a major part of your life style funded by your parents, as OP is doing to her kids, is awful for your self esteem and self worth.

Exactly @KnewYearKnewMe - it's not healthy for grown adults to never get to the point of supporting themselves and paying their own way. I would be mortified to be in the position that OP's kids are in.

Silvertulips · 26/07/2025 16:44

I think DIL is a CF demanding to be paid to stay home. What OP gives to her own children is her choice.

Robin67 · 26/07/2025 16:45

verycloakanddaggers · 26/07/2025 15:17

So you treat the two families differently, giving less to one side because your DS has decided his wife should work because it's better for him?

Honestly this sounds like toxic soup, a fair proportion of which seems to come from you originally.

Give both families the same treatment/cash and let the couples work out (or not) their marriage issues on their own.

So, to be fair to both households, she should indeed treat both children the same. OP, please give your son enough money so he can give up work and be a SAHP. It's 2025 people. DIL can work full time just like, I presume, SIL does.

BIossomtoes · 26/07/2025 16:45

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 26/07/2025 16:43

having a major part of your life style funded by your parents, as OP is doing to her kids, is awful for your self esteem and self worth.

Exactly @KnewYearKnewMe - it's not healthy for grown adults to never get to the point of supporting themselves and paying their own way. I would be mortified to be in the position that OP's kids are in.

And yet still her dil wants more.

KnewYearKnewMe · 26/07/2025 16:45

@bumblecoachschool fees, nursery fees, cars, holidays??? Paying an allowance to an adult child so they can stay at home, then posting on Mumsnet because - who knew - all is not well with the family dynamics?

I think you’re deliberately being contrary. Of course having those things funded for you by your parents, when you are a parent, does not make you an independent adult.

istheresomethingishouldsay · 26/07/2025 16:47

ExtraOnions · 26/07/2025 15:00

The problem is your son … it needs to be made very clear that the person behind the decision, for her not to be a SAHM, is him. You are getting the blame for his decision.

She’s pissed as she sees the difference in the way her, and your DD are living …. And it’s down to her husbands choices. She thinks it’s down to you.

True, but it's not just that. It's her expectation and sense of entitlement that her inlaws fund her lifestyle choice for her!

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 26/07/2025 16:49

BIossomtoes · 26/07/2025 16:45

And yet still her dil wants more.

Yep, it's grim.

TBH, it sounds like the adult kids have been so used to mummy and daddy funding everything that the DC's in-law have adapted to the same lifestyle. It's all very enmeshed and unhealthy.

HiRen · 26/07/2025 16:49

Scentedjasmin · 26/07/2025 16:32

But in fairness though, you are having it easier than her if you don't live on the same country as her and she is much more involved with your parents. You could always make a sacrifice and move back to be closer to your elderly parents to help care for them in their old age instead of criticising someone having to help out and spend time with someone else's parents. Or you could criticise your brother for not doing more for them. So for her to be treated less favourably is unfair. If I were her I would be taking a step back from your family.

The reality is much more complicated than I could or would want to reveal. Yes, theoretically I could move back and be more involved. But that would leave my own in-laws in the lurch - just as she has left her parents in the lurch (they live in the same country as her, but at least a day's travel away. Basically she's of no practical help to them and in fact she hasn't visited them in over 3 years - it's fine, they come to see her, but she's "dumped" them on her DB is the same way you would say I've "dumped" my parents on my DB). Both she and I moved away from our parents because of our DHs' jobs.

And, the truth is that she doesn't actually do anything to help. Her "help" consists of the aforementioned school pick up; or allowing my Mum to go to a ballet recital if DB is busy; or letting my DM know that a new GP has opened that she might want to try out; or passing on gossip about friends/neighbors to "stop her sliding into early dementia, it's so important to maintain social links as you get older". And the help my DB gives is eg fixing the router/general tech support, ordering stuff online for them etc. My parents have paid help for everything else and are <touch wood> in good health for their age and completely independent (other than gardening, IT, car mechanic etc).

Separately, this SIL has other SILs (wives of brothers) who don't get anywhere near the generosity she does, for various reasons. Why doesn't she compare herself to them? Why only to me? She considers her treatment unfair relative to me, the actual daughter, not to her peers/ equivalents. She doesn't compare her outcome to her siblings' either - she's living the life of Riley compared to them (and I happen to know and like them all, as it happens).

I do indeed criticise my DB for all this. He is shirking his responsibilities. He's not being honest about any of this - he's just putting his head in the sand. It's not good enough. But who am I to criticise? He's doing more than I am, after all. I'm describing the situation; I'm not involved in it.

I think my parents are relieved that she's taken a step back, although they resent that as a consequence they don't see the grandchildren as much. They understand that's a natural consequence because they go where she goes, as they should. But she's still accepting all the money and time they give her; it's the high road for my parents, seemingly, and full entitlement for her. Seems like she's the winner in all of this, and that doesn't stop her complaining she doesn't have it as good as I do.

alcoholnightmare · 26/07/2025 16:50

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