Vaping is EVERYWHERE

[Mehmeh22]

So the kids are off on summer holidays and I am trying to find nice activities to do. Went to the cinema yesterday, and a father with her young daughter, just gets out his vape and has a puff right in front of me while we were waiting to go in.

Then today at a play centre, Im sat in the cafe and a mother gets out her vape and surreptitiously has some of the vape and the oncoming plume of smoke...in my bloody direction.

I've been in Tesco, and someone just used it casually as you like. When I mentioned it to staff, they just shrugged their shoulders....I didn't see it.

Its bad enough people inflicting others with their noisy phones, but why oh why do people do this?!! In areas where kids are playing???? I dont care that you are addicted...that is not my problem!! People who smoke are addicted and would never dream of lighting up a cig!!!

Rant over.....

@SilenceOfTheTimTams Ask people with lung diseases. They are advised very strongly to stay away from people vaping. But I guess if it’s inconvenient, then ignore it!!

Can you back that up?

80% of asthmatics have allergic asthma. The inflammation in their lungs that leads to attacks is being caused by an inhaled allergen (pet dander, dust mites and pollen being common ones…otherwise tolerated common substances).

Yanbu it smells fucking disgusting

It's not just water vapour, it contains lots of harmful substances, just like passive smoking from cigarettes. It's antisocial and shouldn't be done anywhere and everywhere. If you wouldn't about a cigarette in the situation then you shouldn't vape there either.

That’s a description of symptom, not allergy.

If pet dander, for example, causes impaired breathing that’s an allergy to pet dander that expresses as breathing difficulty. The allergy is to the dander.

The NHS explanation of allergy is:

An allergy is where your body reacts to something that's normally harmless like pollen, dust or animal fur. The symptoms can be mild, but for some people they can be very serious.

Cigarette smoke is not “normally harmless”.

I don’t question potential seriousness for a moment. But I’m asking what it is that people who claim to be allergic to some component of water vapour from vapes are actually allergic to.

Well, they'll get cancer and you won't. Disgusting habit.

@SilenceOfTheTimTams for example, but there are others

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7781946/

publications.ersnet.org/content/erj/56/suppl64/4387?rss=1&utm_source=TrendMD&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=European_Respiratory_Journal_TrendMD_0&implicit-login=true%26560

That’s the same single tiny study, twice.

You’ll have to do better than that, even given that it’s your frantic google to try to support your claim.

This and I don’t want to breathe in vape flavours either. I had a sales assistant do it the other day in a shop whilst at the till. They are addicted and literally can’t stop or do a shift without vaping

I hate seeing people vaping as they look like they are sucking on dummies. Plus they smell awful and I feel I am breathing in air freshener if passing by.

That is, yet again, a social objection.

Fine. Knock yourselves out. But at least be honest that your objection is aesthetic and personally disapproving, and nothing else.

Well this is what the thread was originally about social objection. People are objecting to.vapers vaping near them in inappropriate spaces.

As many posters said they just want a bit of consideration shown.

You’re entirely correct OP! I think people just forget themselves because they can bake in so many places. My office just voted whether or not to allow vaping indoors and the majority said yes! Before someone in HR had the good sense to step in and say it wasn’t going to be allowed.

Which is fine. So we can object to all people’s personal habits, smells, sounds, conduct, and so on.

I don’t want to ban persistent nail biters from going out in public, or people talking incessantly on phones, or gulping water all the time, or wearing Chanel no 5. They may all piss me off, but I’m not going to pretend there’s some urgent health reason for restricting them.

I object to it. I’m allowed to object. People didn’t object to smoking and when the ban came in 2007 for smoking so many pubs complained and smokers - the rest of us relieved.

anything that quotes diacetyl needs throwing in the bin
a cigarette has it in but
it’s been banned in vape flavours in the UK for about ten years

Smoking is proven toxic and harmful. It’s a terrible killer. The comparison to vaping is bogus - in that way most obviously, but in all others too.

And since vaping is - according to the NHS - a very powerful anti-smoking aid, I’d have thought sensible people would look more tolerably on it.

@SilenceOfTheTimTams you are just ignorant www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5275

Quite apart from your rudeness, you’re also wrong.

Objections to vaping on this thread have been about harm to people around vapers. There’s no evidence for that. Here’s the NHS advice, which not only confirms no known passive risk, but also suggests very limited risk to vapers themselves:

https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/ready-to-quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/vaping-myths-and-the-facts/

@SilenceOfTheTimTams maybe 5 out of a 100 of the local 16-18 year old smoked 10 years ago on a consistent daily basis, now about 95% vape and they aren’t just vaping once a day it’s constant. They are hooked. A survey in our primary showed 25 % of year 6 had vaped (no smokers) by year 9 this figure was 95%. They think it is healthy, cool and relaxing.

When smoking gets banned or smoking numbers decline - & don’t forget everyone that dies is no longer paying for cigarettes etc they need more muppets and a new thing to sell. Like ‘lite’ or menthol. Companies need new idiots to buy stuff.

You are ignorant the BMJ and all the studies show that the effects of bystanders and people vaping WILL NOT be fully knows until 2050. It’s a new thing. Any side effects won’t be now it will be 5-10 years plus down the line. It’s a health crisis for those kids that will loom over our heads in a few decades.

Oh right, now we’ve moved to concern for children. Goalposts ➡️

Just tell your kids not to vape. That’s what I do.