Vaping is EVERYWHERE

[Mehmeh22]

So the kids are off on summer holidays and I am trying to find nice activities to do. Went to the cinema yesterday, and a father with her young daughter, just gets out his vape and has a puff right in front of me while we were waiting to go in.

Then today at a play centre, Im sat in the cafe and a mother gets out her vape and surreptitiously has some of the vape and the oncoming plume of smoke...in my bloody direction.

I've been in Tesco, and someone just used it casually as you like. When I mentioned it to staff, they just shrugged their shoulders....I didn't see it.

Its bad enough people inflicting others with their noisy phones, but why oh why do people do this?!! In areas where kids are playing???? I dont care that you are addicted...that is not my problem!! People who smoke are addicted and would never dream of lighting up a cig!!!

Rant over.....

I've had time to look at the first of these studies.

https://academic.oup.com/ntr/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ntr/ntaf067/8079085

I don't have access to the full paper but can spot the glaring flaw just from the abstract:

We used longitudinal data from the All of Us research program to investigate the association between current exclusive e-cigarette use (EE), exclusive combustible cigarette use (ECC), and dual use (DU) with incident cardiometabolic conditions, including hypertension, type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), heart failure (HF), and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease (ASCVD), using Cox regression analyses adjusted for age, sex, race and ethnicity, and body mass index. ECC use was used as a positive control to validate our methodology and findings.

The study failed to account for past smoking status. The vast majority of vapers are smokers or ex-smokers. The exclusive e-cigarette use group will mostly be ex-smokers. Of course they have higher incidence of COPD!

The study also found that older exclusive vapers had a higher incidence of hypertension which is also completely unsurprising. They will have had a longer smoking history and have harmed themselves more.

To get meaningful results you'd have to compare vapers who have never smoked with non-vapers who have never smoked and/or compare ex-smokers who vape with ex-smokers who don't.

I'd like to say I'm astonished this even got published but unfortunately there are piles and piles of this garbage-grade 'research' out there, mostly coming from the US. With the best will in the world I do not have time to dig down into each link in these gishgalloping posts.

It would be good if people could do a little bit of their own digging, at least beyond the headline, before they post these links. This is useful reading for anyone who wants to understand why this is important and what to look out for:

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/addressing-common-myths-about-vaping-putting-the-evidence-in-context

You brought it up - I did not. Then you quoted me to try and add more 'quotes' to your 'vaping is harmless' argument.

You seem hell bent on promoting vaping and being up yourself - good luck with that

Where have I said vaping is harmless?

Tobacco companies probably, new market along with nicotine crap. Have also read that teen vapers then take up smoking.

Yeah. There is a perception that it is not harmful which is obviously wrong, and they definitely market them to non smokers and children. They used to be a way of quitting smoking but now people who have never smoked are vaping

Surely it's only a perception among thick people. Popcorn lung is a known issue as is addiction.

I hope RR increases the tax on them

Popcorn lung is a load of shit, the ingredient is banned in the U.K. in vapes
cigarettes contain more of it

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/does-vaping-cause-popcorn-lung

Vaping looks so naff.

Oh dear. The ‘just for the sake of it I will tell people what they cannot do’ crowd are on the march again.

Vaping is not harmful to others. Popcorn lung is not caused by vapes in this country. It is bollocks to suggest that a hotel room that’s been vaped in can affect the next occupier, etc etc.

FFS grow up.

I can’t stand them, it smells like breathing in hot vimto

It is inflicting crap that I don't want the stench or disgusting feel of in my body.
Vapers can vape nowhere near anyone else as that would be fair. Same with stinking smokers of anything.

Vaping also only exists as a smoking cessation tool. Seems to be as or more addictive. Just don't inhale anything that is not necessary.

Such a strong argument. 🙄

It should be applied to food, drink, perfume, body odour, cars, talking loudly, playing music, dogs, children with iPads on trains and every other activity in life that does no harm to another person.

Since nobody’s at risk from vaping I really can’t see why anyone should care what you think.

Disgusting feel? How does that work?!
What about car exhausts? That's a billion times worse than a waft of fruity vapour surely?

Who said nobody's at risk from vaping? Where are the long term studies, oh that's right, there aren't any yet.