To be glad schools are finally hitting back

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Over the last couple of days I've seen more stories about schools introducing new rules and sending students home who won't comply.
I'm in a really tricky school about to do the same (when we start back) and the staff are so relieved. Teachers on here : are you glad to see it?

Nail on the head. But it's easier for teachers to lazily discipline for minor uniform breaches than it is for them to deal with bullying. As usual, they take the easy option!

I don't agree with children being put into detention for not having a pencil. It is an excessive punishment. Warnings and/or demerit marks, ok, and a detention when a certain number have been acrued but not, straight into detention.
They can borrow a pencil from a friend and try to do better the next time.

How can anyone know if they're glad to see it without knowing what the rules are? Even teachers object to the stupid ones.

And they are so busy punishing for minor infringements they miss the big stuff and don't know what to do anyway.

My son has to line up to be checked for uniform and pens etc before they even get into the school building. Some teachers also check randomly as they walk past during the school day.

We follow rules but surely everyone, especially the teachers, have better things to do with their time? The irony is, the kids (parents) who dont have regulation uniform are not put off by these checks and continue to send in, in non regulation uniform.

And how is isolation because you are wearing trainers instead of school shoes benefitting anyone? The school goes on about how uniform helps education but then stops kids from learning if they have a stretchy skirt instead of a pencil skirt.

It's gonna be one of these threads where the poll and the comments don't match...

I believe there's a judicial review going on into a trust with excessive isolations. Schools bang on about attendance yet happily shove kids in isolation all the time where they don't access their education properly either. Make it make sense. I mean if a kid is spending half their life in isolation clearly it's not very effective.

Interestingly the high school here are taking on the uniform policy the primaries have adopted over the last few years.

From September it will be -

black or navy trousers, shorts or skirt. They must be high waisted enough and long enough to cover underwear.

White or royal blue shirt, tshirt or polo shirt. Tie is available to wear with a shirt if wished.

Black, navy or royal blue jumper, cardigan or hoodie. Logo versions available but not compulsory.

Black shoes or trainers.

Some parents are very unhappy about it, but the primaries have said they have found much less clashing between staff and pupils over uniform. Much less time wasted on it. Also pupils much more comfortable and less disruptive.

The high school head was previously very very into uniform so the discussions with the other HT's must have been very eye opening for him to go down this line.

That's because there's not enough information in the OP for people to be able to choose one of the options and then the comments discuss what the new rules might be and that's why there's a mismatch.

My current school's uniform policy states that pupils should wear one item of school-branded clothing (we've got t-shirts, polo shirts, hoodies, jumpers, normal shirts, dresses, rugby tops...in our various school colours - red, blue, grey, white, pink). They can wear any kind of bottoms in blue, black or grey, from jogging bottoms to jeans, shorts, skirts...and any sensible shoes they like (so no flip-flops or stilettos). We're a through school so uniform must be appropriate for a 5-year-old and a 16-year-old.
We've also got a very limited number of school rules. The only exceptions are violence or racism, which lead to immediate suspension.
Their parents are responsible for their equipment while they are little. When teaching 6-year-olds, their parents are responsible for making sure they've got their PE kit...yes, their child would do well to remind them but it's not their fault if it gets forgotten in the morning. Some of them don't even know what weekday it is, let alone that they are meant to have their PE kit that day.
When they are older, the kids are meant to look after their equipment and make sure they have it. I'd still contact parents in the first instance if they keep coming without it. Obviously, they will need some support from home in that case.

All these stupid uniform rules and punishments are just a way to get ND kids out of school. Schools and teachers don't care where they go, they just want them out of school so they don't have to support them. Anyone who can't comply with the pointless rules about uniform is forced out through punitive sanctions and exclusions into home ed, because there's nowhere else to go.

Like others it depends. Uniform not perfect just let it slide. Being aggressive, disrupting class and so on then yes more needs to be done. Stop letting the minority ruin it for the majority.

It increasingly seems that way.

And they can't even support kids who are basically bright and did very well at primary school and have very mild SEN. So much potential being wasted.

not putting up with behaviour that disrupt other kids education at best, or worst allow them to bully their way around

The classes are already too full, not even time and resources, why should it be acceptable to disrupt 30 people because you can't be bothered to have a pencil.

Of course it's about time.

I think schools are implementing meaningless rules because they have zero control over what actually matters - bullying, aggressive & rude behavior, disruption in the classrooms.

So no, i dont give a fuck about rules that have zero impact or meaning.

If you don't like the uniform, go to a school where there isn't one

or campaign and gather support from other parents to change it.

Throwing a tantrum or thinking rules don't apply to you is such a waste of everybody's time. If schools put kids in detention, parents complain anyway.

literally the attitude and the reasoning of the bullies and disruptive elements.

My kids go to schools with normal rules, and a 0 tolerance for bullying. My kids are kept safe, it's exactly what I want. Doesn't hurt they also do the learning they go to school for!

Rattysparklebum There was a School featured last night on South Today news.Appears to have a drop in attendance . Could this have anything to do with the fact children are not allowed to laugh in the corridors, and the playground? Quite honestly they would be better off in prison! WTF? I am heartily relieved that I dont presently have any children in the system. And this is not a school in our area.My own DD struggled massively and had to be HE.She is like many others with LD and these are never properly addressed .

Are you talking about mobile phones op?

I of course think certain rules are so important.

Having a tucked in shirt or wearing a blazer at all times not so much.

It depends what the rules are for? Are they to benefit the children’s or teachers in some way or just rules for the sake of rules? My very well behaved autistic son wouldn’t cope at the local secondary as he would be in perpeptual fear of breaking a rule and being punished as there are hundreds of rules which are strictly enforced. He also has a slow verbal processing speed so would be likely to be punished for not responding quick enough.

The school is obsessed with uniform rules and if pupils have two green pens or not, bullying goes unchecked and kids are taking drugs in the toilets!

That's a bit tricky if there are no "non-uniform" schools around, isn't it?

My DS's school doesn't have a uniform. No issues with behaviour at his school, even though the kids wear what they want.

I suspect a lot of DC think rules made in their own home are pretty stupid too, yet they're expected to adhere to them.

Or is that different.

Our local non uniform is slowly creeping a uniform in. It’s gone from logo Pe top and business wear to logo jumper and tie coming soon.

Seems like a new manager up above comes in and the only thing they can ever think to do is mess around with uniforms.

White shirt black trousers should be easy enough.

Biggest risk factor for kids is being excluded from school? Can you link to the study on this please?