To be glad schools are finally hitting back

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Over the last couple of days I've seen more stories about schools introducing new rules and sending students home who won't comply.
I'm in a really tricky school about to do the same (when we start back) and the staff are so relieved. Teachers on here : are you glad to see it?

Or just wear.it?

It's very clear on this thread what the problem is with schools. It's not rules, or teachers or students. It's parents who won't take any responsibility raising entitled kids.

Last week I was called a "fat fucking cunt" by a parent who then proceeded to post a load of abuse about me on social media because I put her little darling in detention for her false nails.

I work with a lot of ex teachers... some are lovely. Some not so: with a focus on "the rules" not the person. I can easily see how they were in school. Oh and they talk down to me, yet we are equals. I guess you can't take that telling behaviour out of some. I reiterate, some are lovely... but fyi I don't need to know day in day out, year in year out, that you used to be a teacher I KNOW.

No honey thats not the issue. the issue here is that sending a child home for wearing the wrong uniform or not having a pencil is an excessive punishment. Surely if a teacher wants to continue with the lesson they can allow the child to have a spare pencil from a friend or from the classroom. Its like teacher love punishing for every little thing and I know for a fact some of them find pleasure in doing so

nothing happened over night, but I can’t believe the change in the last 5 yrs.

School we picked was like that - hugely impoved - we werent from area so didn't know previous reputation. It was a great school.

Then inspections force head and most of the senior staff out - their gripe was bottom pupil while imporving were doing so fast enough a- took two attempts to get a new head after that most of the staff moved on - and the outstanding pastural care which huge sucess was stripped away. Behavior and results crashed.

Since then they've got increasingly nit picky over minor shit and ignored serious concerns.

Mind you DN wnet to our old school - one who were like you can't take balzers off till someone faints but with good results - and had equally shit time - they to had no toilet access - well suppodily there but in reality usually not - and lots of teacher churn and poor class room behavior - at least post covid.

That’s the ideal @Goldbar I agree.Where it has gone wrong is the sheer size of many Secondary schools now. When there are hundreds of pupils it just becomes crowd control. Then SLT’s impose ridiculous rules on pupils (and often staff as well). This is in the vain hope that they can gain back some control. Vulnerable pupils slip through the cracks. Disruptive and unruly pupils rule the roost. It’s why many children fail to thrive after doing well in smaller Primary schools. Smaller Primary schools are often able to take a more personalised and nurturing approach to children. Parents become disgruntled because the Secondary schools can’t or won’t take this approach and the relationship between schools, parents and pupils breaks down. It’s why people who can afford it privately educate their children.

Quite. I worked in a school and noticed child had a full plate of school dinner (primary school). Took one bite sbd threw it. I asked if he was ok, he said he didn’t like it. I knew he was having a full afternoon of sport afterwards so I said sonething along the lines ‘you’re going to struggle in tbe afternoon without any lunch’. I didn’t force feed him, but next day I was pulled up because he’d told his mother and she complained to the school. Bonkers. He would have been 10 or 11. I quit soon no after.

at some point, you need to take responsibility for yourself.
Write things down, put reminders. Why is it always somebody else's problem?

By secondary, I slept through my alarm. Probably snoozed and went back to sleep - fairly usual for teenagers. Both my parents were already gone for work before I even woke up. Up to me to find a solution.Of course I would have been just as punished for being late than anyone else, and rightly so.

You are forgetful, then put things in place to remember. It's VERY rare that someone remembers absolutely anything and everything, we all use various ways to make sure we do things on time.

I stuck another louder alarm clock on the other side of my room, so I had to physically get up to switch it off. It worked, I was never late. If it hadn't worked, I would have found something else. You can't expect special allowance just because you can't be bothered to get up on time

I agree too plus its proven that a child is more obedient when there is a good relationship/friendship established between them and adults.

why do you think the child should be allowed to disrupt the class?
why do you think it's up to others to bring spare to stop being pestered for a pencil?

When will the child actually take responsibility and realise it's up to him to make sure his bag has what he's supposed to have? Everybody else manages? Why should one be so special that again, rules don't apply to him?

Instead of wasting everybody's time, send home . At least they should get the message eventually!

Not if it's about the school enforcing footwear when my dd - Year 7 and pretty shy and quiet, had medical notes from her GP and a foot specialist explaining the need to wear temporary trainers but got constantly harassed by teachers in the corridor and her classes. One teacher tried to coerce her into wearing pumps. The pressure was so much so that she started to refuse to go to school - it took that threat (that I was pulling her from school for medical reasons) for the message to sink in, not to pick on the small kid with the white trainers.
Bloody stupid uniform rules. They just keep getting stricter, and the behaviour seems to be getting worse rather than better.

Excellent advice, my ADHD is now cured. Maybe you should make an infographic telling people with ADHD to make a list and put a post it note on the door, then it wouldn't exist any more.

Brb, just going to my local secondary school to suggest the teachers tell the bottom set to just be better at maths.

😂Teachers are not there to be friends with your kids.

ND kids are often pretty good at following rules. What is needed is basic manners and good attitude which should be taught at home, but often has to be taught at school

So you seriously don't think teachers should be aiming to have good relationships with their students? Why? So you dislike kids? See them all as a bunch of potential criminals?

Schools ask teachers to use a behaviour policy, so everyone has to be consistent. It'll be a whole school policy. The issue with false nails is a health and safety one, which parent will be fully aware of but authorises the child to get her 'holiday nails' anyway

I think all it does is punish kids for the fact schools are overcrowded and underfunded.
Lots of children find uniform rules difficult because of sensory issues.
Uniforms were much less strict when I was at school.

That's the English way. Rules rules, gradgrindian rules. Compared to schools in Europe/Africa, and much of the English school system looks like the opening scene of Orwell's 1984. And that's how they prepare you for an adult life filled with petty bureaucracy, run by petty dictators. Red tape ties the nation together!

I don't know why people say that.

have you BEEN to other school in other systems? English schools are the least
formal ever!
People assume that it's the other way round because kids wear a uniform, but it's more a free for all than anywhere else.

I am not talking about "cure" but you have to take responsibility and find solutions to fix your OWN problems.

It's easy to waste time finding excuses. Instead of blaming "the school" and expect special treatment, do what every body else is doing, and find solutions for yourself.

It's funny how ADHD for some people only impact SOME impact of their lives, not the ones they actually care about. why is that?

(I do have ADHD btw... It really annoys me when it's used as an excuse for laziness)

I wonder how some of these children will fare in the world. Work has rules, society has rules, families and friendships have rules; but everyone can ignore the rules in school.
Give me strength 😥.

In real life if you need the loo, then in most jobs you can go - and if you can't, you usually know that's part of a job.

In real life you can wear weather appropriate clothing. In most jobs if you are hot you take off a layer, if it's raining you use a coat.

In most jobs if you lose a pen, you get a spare from a cupboard or borrow a colleagues. Its not a big drama.

I used to work in one of the few jobs where I had to time toilet trips and had no control over my clothing, however hot it got. I knew that when I signed up for the job. If I couldn't handle it, I wouldn't have taken the job.

Kids don't get a choice over any of this.

Probably a lot better if they'd spent their childhoods in supportive and nurturing schools where they were helped and scaffolded to meet expectations and to achieve their potential.

Worth remembering that very few private schools have a punitive "zero tolerance" approach. Apparently it's not something that well-off and privileged parents feel will benefit their kids.

Yep, sure, it was definitely because I didn't care or try to develop strategies. I just really enjoyed being in trouble every day until my self-esteem was so low I was suicidal. Such fun.

It's like those people with Diabetes, going around insisting on being given medicine instead of taking accountability for making their own insulin. Everyone else manages! They are perfectly capable of making other hormones that can't be produced synthetically, how convenient.

It's a real shame there's no cure for stupid or ableist because you definitely need one.

Wow, is that primary or secondary school??