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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:42

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 15:40

we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work.

Why did the poor woman 'really need a rest' though?

It sounds as though your FIL can see you're taking advantage of your mum and he won't allow you and your DH to do the same to him.

Fair play.

Exactly. The entitlement just blows my mind, in all honesty.

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 20/07/2025 15:43

ClearlyAGiraffe · 20/07/2025 15:39

But the OP’s mother is there to look after the other children so that the husband can go to the birth. That’s why she is there.

But she is worn out from all the housework.

Yeah I get that and there’s no good reason why the OP’s mother has got that exhausted. But I was responding to the post which suggested that the OP doesn’t need her dp at the birth that she should just trot off to hospital in a taxi when she goes into labour.

Swan6 · 20/07/2025 15:43

Only have the children you can raise yourself
They are your children,your responsibility
Not your fil responsibility
Not your mother's responsibility
It's 3 kids ,not a class full

PhilippaGeorgiou · 20/07/2025 15:44

The world has sadly changed
From the baby boomers growing up where they often had family close, helping, less family at work, lots of support, but you asked and he said no.

Oh FFS now it's the baby boomers fault again. Ermm, lovely rose tinted spectacles. I am 67 years old. My mother had NO family help for birth or raising 3 children, and there was neither maternity nor paternity leave. And she wasn't alone. Women who could work often did, and were not available to help out. There was no free childcare and nobody could afford nurseries even where they existed. You sorted out your own children and if you were very lucky you might have had a family member help for a few hours from time to time. Most SAHM were that becayse they had no other choice.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:45

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 20/07/2025 15:43

Yeah I get that and there’s no good reason why the OP’s mother has got that exhausted. But I was responding to the post which suggested that the OP doesn’t need her dp at the birth that she should just trot off to hospital in a taxi when she goes into labour.

I mean, that's the reality for lots of people with no family support and multiple children.

OP and her husband could always arrange paid childcare.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 15:46

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 20/07/2025 15:43

Yeah I get that and there’s no good reason why the OP’s mother has got that exhausted. But I was responding to the post which suggested that the OP doesn’t need her dp at the birth that she should just trot off to hospital in a taxi when she goes into labour.

Its not ideal but given that she nor her husband arranged local child care, its what would need to happen.

At a push, she could have gone off in the taxi, and OPs mother, if fit and well enough, could have made the 2 hour journey down, then the husband is free to go up to the hospital once she arrives.

Thats common sense. Not having this frail elderly person living with you for weeks on end for no purpose. I would get exhausted if I had to stay in someones house, housework or no housework. I need my own space, and the woman is ill as well.

Horrendous.

ginasevern · 20/07/2025 15:46

For fuck sake stop having kids. This is such an entitled post. How good of you to put your 72 year old mum out to grass after she's looked after 2 small kids and a household for 2 weeks. I don't blame your FIL - he's not getting you pregnant!

Branleuse · 20/07/2025 15:47

Could you consider a home birth since its a 3rd child? If its a low risk pregnancy, at least you wouldnt need to have childcare

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/07/2025 15:49

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:45

I mean, that's the reality for lots of people with no family support and multiple children.

OP and her husband could always arrange paid childcare.

I'm a retired midwife and practically no women arrived in labour without their husband.

Even one whose husband was in prison managed to get emergency leave from the prison.

Women prefer the love and support of the baby's father with them.

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 20/07/2025 15:49

Branleuse · 20/07/2025 15:47

Could you consider a home birth since its a 3rd child? If its a low risk pregnancy, at least you wouldnt need to have childcare

The child was born a couple of days ago.

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 15:49

Branleuse · 20/07/2025 15:47

Could you consider a home birth since its a 3rd child? If its a low risk pregnancy, at least you wouldnt need to have childcare

She gave birth a couple of days ago.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:50

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/07/2025 15:49

I'm a retired midwife and practically no women arrived in labour without their husband.

Even one whose husband was in prison managed to get emergency leave from the prison.

Women prefer the love and support of the baby's father with them.

Then OP and her husband should have arranged for paid childcare, not relied on a 72 year old or a man who works full-time Hmm

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 15:51

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:26

Her mum needs respite because she's 72 and going through chemo, and her adult daughter roped her in to providing two weeks of totally unnecessary support.

Grim, isn't it?

And because her DM couldn't just leave things alone even when asked

Robin67 · 20/07/2025 15:52

He sounds like a tosser. I would not want such a person in charge of my kids at any point

Bloodorangey · 20/07/2025 15:53

You talk like having children is an obligation! Like you are doing everyone a favour by procreating and it’s a trump card to reprioritisie everything around you / your family.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:53

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 15:51

And because her DM couldn't just leave things alone even when asked

Maybe she was sick of being stuck in someone else's home with two small children and just wanted to do something?

Let's not blame the 72 year old for this. OP and her husband should have arranged a better solution for their kids.

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 20/07/2025 15:54

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/07/2025 15:49

I'm a retired midwife and practically no women arrived in labour without their husband.

Even one whose husband was in prison managed to get emergency leave from the prison.

Women prefer the love and support of the baby's father with them.

be that as it may but don't use your mother and work her into the ground so much that she needs respite after 2 weeks grafting and they have to draft the next culprit in for the "heavy lifting".

FluffykinsTheFerociousFeralFelineFury · 20/07/2025 15:54

You need to stop thinking of other adults as being your servants.

TimeForABreak4 · 20/07/2025 15:55

I don't think you're expecting too much at all. My dad was on standby and shot round the middle of the night to watch my other two children when I went into labour at 3am with my son and happily stayed till just after 7am when dh got home. Luckily he lives in the same town but he wouldn't ever have wanted me to give birth alone.

I understand why your father in law couldn't do it when he had plans though, but he does sound pretty useless in general. He himself has admitted hel never be the father your husband wants. In that case, depending what your dh wants obviously, I'd likely pull back and stop visiting/contacting him. It's only going to continue to upset you/your dh because as he said, hel never be what your dh needs.

You've just given birth, emotions are high. Just forget him and move on. Don't let this upset you at a special time. Congrats on your baby.

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 20/07/2025 15:55

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 15:51

And because her DM couldn't just leave things alone even when asked

Come off it. The OP stood back and let her.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/07/2025 15:55

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:13

So your mother is 72 and going through chemo, and you thought it was acceptable to get her to come and stay for two weeks to help you and your DH with your kids? Then you got pissed off with your FIL for not dropping everything to be there as well?

I think that's absolutely shocking behaviour on your part.

"My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. "

It's not OP's mother who is helping her currently that has Chemo.
Its her DHs mother.

Anonymouseposter · 20/07/2025 15:56

Your FIL is who he is and no amount of "hashing things out with him" will change that. You just have to accept it and adjust your relationship to what you and your husband want.
I'm around the same age as your Mum. If she has been doing more than she can cope with I don't see why she can't go to her room and have a rest without another grandparent coming to do the heavy lifting. In your shoes I would be telling her not to overdo things so that she isn't too tired looking after the kids while you're in hospital. In her shoes I would help you out but if I started to feel really tired I would say that I was going to have a lie down, read my book or something.
I understand you wanting her to be there for when you go into labour but why is she running herself into the ground?
If her health's okay it shouldn't be too much for her to help you within reason.
You seem to be making a lot of drama about things and trying to tell people what they should do.

diddl · 20/07/2025 15:56

I mean just because your mum agreed to stay in case you went into labour overnight it doesn't mean that anyone else has to then take over from her & I think your husband was really nasty to his dad about it.

Obviously it was easier when people lived nearer but a lot of women would go to hospital & leave their OH to arrange childcare & join them when possible.

It's a shame he won't visit but it sounds as if he doesn't want to get roped in to helping.

In which case he'll just have to see his GC when it's convenient to you to take them.

I think it was ridiculous to "hash it out" with him as the relationship was already fragile.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:57

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/07/2025 15:55

"My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. "

It's not OP's mother who is helping her currently that has Chemo.
Its her DHs mother.

Yes, I'm aware - I corrected myself several times upthread :)

My point still stands though - a 72 year old shouldn't have been made to come and stay for two week to "help".

Goingawayistricky · 20/07/2025 15:57

I and my mum friends used each other to do labour childcare. Made sense as we were all close in terms of location. Also more of us in case things didn’t go to plan.

He didn’t want to and he already had plans. Sounds reasonable to me.