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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/07/2025 15:57

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 20/07/2025 15:55

Come off it. The OP stood back and let her.

Or maybe, rather than standing back, the OP who has had a difficult pregnancy was busy breastfeeding a newborn.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 15:58

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

He is correct .. you are not the boss of him!

If number 2 baby was so stressful, what made you have another one?

Hodgemollar · 20/07/2025 15:58

I don’t understand why you couldn’t just have your mum do less for you?
You didn’t need for her to be exhausted doing all the housework for 2 weeks to the point she couldn’t cope helping before she was even needed to do childcare when you went into labour.

CherryDrops89 · 20/07/2025 15:58

I don't understand why you've allowed your mum to become exhausted through helping you while staying with you for two weeks. Why have you not said, no mum, you're not here to do the house/do school run/whatever has caused her to become exhausted for the duration of your stay, we need you here to take over when I'm not able to because I'm in labour

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:58

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/07/2025 15:57

Or maybe, rather than standing back, the OP who has had a difficult pregnancy was busy breastfeeding a newborn.

How was she breastfeeding the newborn before it was born?

Muffinmam · 20/07/2025 15:59

I don’t understand why you are upset. It is not up to your mother or your father in law to take care of your children.

You and your husband made the choice to have three children. It is entirely unreasonable to ask for people to come and babysit your children.

There are two parents. You and your husband are responsible for the children you created.

I didn’t have any help at all when I had my first child. It’s for that reason I haven’t had any more children.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 16:00

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/07/2025 15:57

Or maybe, rather than standing back, the OP who has had a difficult pregnancy was busy breastfeeding a newborn.

Except it wasn’t born!

Theimpossiblegirl · 20/07/2025 16:00

I think you expect a lot from others tbh. In an ideal world they'd all rally round but they don't have to.

Middlemarch123 · 20/07/2025 16:01

Swan6 · 20/07/2025 15:43

Only have the children you can raise yourself
They are your children,your responsibility
Not your fil responsibility
Not your mother's responsibility
It's 3 kids ,not a class full

Agree with every word.
I had three under three years . DH worked away a lot. Only time my parents who were in their fifties at the time had my kids overnight was when I was hospitalised and DH was away. They never had them overnight after that. My kids, I wanted them. We didn’t have babies for anyone else to bring them up.

Muffinmam · 20/07/2025 16:01

Hodgemollar · 20/07/2025 15:58

I don’t understand why you couldn’t just have your mum do less for you?
You didn’t need for her to be exhausted doing all the housework for 2 weeks to the point she couldn’t cope helping before she was even needed to do childcare when you went into labour.

I agree. It is utterly ridiculous that there were three adults and the elderly woman is the one running about after everyone.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

Katrinawaves · 20/07/2025 15:35

This is very weird thread. I have 3 children myself (one with special needs) and in the last 2 weeks of a pregnancy would have been more than capable of entertaining and looking after an elderly woman with chemo and keeping on top of the housework to the extent needed. There is no way on earth I’d have sat on my ass and let an elderly woman work herself on the point of exhaustion. Had the OP done her own housework for those 2 weeks, her mother would have been more than capable of the small amount of babysitting she thought she was volunteering for without any need of respite from the FIL.

entitled and lazy are my impressions here.

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

OP posts:
everythingsnotmadeofgold · 20/07/2025 16:03

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/07/2025 15:57

Or maybe, rather than standing back, the OP who has had a difficult pregnancy was busy breastfeeding a newborn.

Unless her nipples are on the inside of her body, I doubt it.

Hodgemollar · 20/07/2025 16:04

Middlemarch123 · 20/07/2025 16:01

Agree with every word.
I had three under three years . DH worked away a lot. Only time my parents who were in their fifties at the time had my kids overnight was when I was hospitalised and DH was away. They never had them overnight after that. My kids, I wanted them. We didn’t have babies for anyone else to bring them up.

I mean hoping a family member will mind your kids so your husband can be with you during labour is hardly expecting others to raise your children, thats nonsense.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 16:04

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/07/2025 15:49

I'm a retired midwife and practically no women arrived in labour without their husband.

Even one whose husband was in prison managed to get emergency leave from the prison.

Women prefer the love and support of the baby's father with them.

My mum didnt have my dad with her, for me or my sibling. He was a site engineer in the days without mobile phones or email or any such thing. By the time information got through to him she was back home both times.

MagpieCastle · 20/07/2025 16:04

I feel for you because we had our first 2 dc abroad with no family help for the birth itself (though they visited soon after and were brilliant). It added another level of stress to the birth because it felt different relying on friends to help out so that dp could be there with me. By the time dc3 arrived we were back home & near family. During the birth they stepped in to look after dc1&2 so that dh could be at the hospital. I really appreciated it and, until that moment, hadn't fully realised how much that support meant because, like you and your dh, we'd previously been very self sufficient.

The main differences were proximity and age - we were within a 15 minute car ride of family. It might well have been different with longer distances and the support was provided by siblings. As I slide into my 60's, I'm becoming aware how my stamina levels have changed between 40 & 60 even without any major health issues (sincere apologies to those mumsnetters who are running marathons in their 60s/70s/80s). For my dc, I will certainly be there to step in whenever needed but am aware it will be with a different energy level.

Neither you nor FiL were unreasonable. The timing didn't work for your FiL but when you do see him he interacts well with dc. This doesn't need to be a transactional relationship but it means that you and your dh would need to be willing to accept (or not) his level of input. FiL possibly feels judged/maybe a bit guilty for not being able or willing to step up and fulfill a need for his ds. You (understandably) feel annoyed at his priorities.

To move forward a re-set would be useful to start with a clean slate and put this behind you. It's possible to be aware that he can't fulfil your expectations but can still have a place in your dc's/his son's life. Yep, that will probably involve visiting him not vice versa but he's unlikely to change. Maybe let dh be responsible for arranging visits to his dad? That way if the visits happen they happen but it doesn't need to be your problem to fix, It won't be perfect and might be irritating but perhaps beats not having him involved at all?

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 16:04

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/07/2025 15:57

Or maybe, rather than standing back, the OP who has had a difficult pregnancy was busy breastfeeding a newborn.

The baby's a couple of days old.

The elderly woman needed respite due to an exhausting 2 week stay with her daughter and son in law.

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 20/07/2025 16:06

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

You said your mother did housework and you did childcare. If you and your husband were doing everything you normally do there would be nothing for your mother to do. The woman needed RESPITE fgs from the "heavy lifting" you wanted your FIL to do "rather than a 72 year old woman".

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:06

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

What is it about your birth history that means your 72 year old mother needs to live with you for two weeks before your due date? Confused

Moonnstars · 20/07/2025 16:08

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

Why were you working so late? You are giving off mixed messages here. On one hand you were so worried the baby would come and you wouldn't have anyone available to help you got your mum to come two weeks before due date, but on the other hand you are now saying you weren't sat around and you were working right up til birth?! So can't have been expecting the baby to arrive early?
It does sound very much like you wanted mum to pick up the slack at home for a few weeks.

NoMatch4Me · 20/07/2025 16:08

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

I really don't understand this. Your midwife advised you to get extra help in as a precautionary childcare option 2 weeks before you were due because of a previous quick labour, yet was more than happy for you to continue working ON your due date? Considering you are doubling down on this being the reason why your mum was exhausted and your FIL is the devil... wasn't there as much concern that you could end up having your baby in the middle of your workplace where your DH would have missed it anyways?

Edited to add- the baby has been born, the issue is long gone now. Why are you still holding all this resentment in place for something YOU were unreasonable for. I just don't get this thread at all, sorry.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:08

MagpieCastle · 20/07/2025 16:04

I feel for you because we had our first 2 dc abroad with no family help for the birth itself (though they visited soon after and were brilliant). It added another level of stress to the birth because it felt different relying on friends to help out so that dp could be there with me. By the time dc3 arrived we were back home & near family. During the birth they stepped in to look after dc1&2 so that dh could be at the hospital. I really appreciated it and, until that moment, hadn't fully realised how much that support meant because, like you and your dh, we'd previously been very self sufficient.

The main differences were proximity and age - we were within a 15 minute car ride of family. It might well have been different with longer distances and the support was provided by siblings. As I slide into my 60's, I'm becoming aware how my stamina levels have changed between 40 & 60 even without any major health issues (sincere apologies to those mumsnetters who are running marathons in their 60s/70s/80s). For my dc, I will certainly be there to step in whenever needed but am aware it will be with a different energy level.

Neither you nor FiL were unreasonable. The timing didn't work for your FiL but when you do see him he interacts well with dc. This doesn't need to be a transactional relationship but it means that you and your dh would need to be willing to accept (or not) his level of input. FiL possibly feels judged/maybe a bit guilty for not being able or willing to step up and fulfill a need for his ds. You (understandably) feel annoyed at his priorities.

To move forward a re-set would be useful to start with a clean slate and put this behind you. It's possible to be aware that he can't fulfil your expectations but can still have a place in your dc's/his son's life. Yep, that will probably involve visiting him not vice versa but he's unlikely to change. Maybe let dh be responsible for arranging visits to his dad? That way if the visits happen they happen but it doesn't need to be your problem to fix, It won't be perfect and might be irritating but perhaps beats not having him involved at all?

Thank you.

OP posts:
SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 16:08

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 20/07/2025 16:06

You said your mother did housework and you did childcare. If you and your husband were doing everything you normally do there would be nothing for your mother to do. The woman needed RESPITE fgs from the "heavy lifting" you wanted your FIL to do "rather than a 72 year old woman".

Yes, there's so much back peddling here, I'm surprised the OP hasn't re-entered Christmas.

Livelovebehappy · 20/07/2025 16:09

I agree it would be nice for fil to show some interest after baby is born, but I don’t think he was wrong not to alter plans he already had which prevented him travelling to be around ‘just in case’. And it really isn’t fair to bully someone into changing their set plans when dh is also there to pick up slack if needed.

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 16:11

Every update is more confusing

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 16:12

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

If you didnt expect her to do anything but sit and wait for the birth, then why was she living at yours at the time and what 'heavy lifting' did you expect your father in law to be doing instead of your mum because she was tired. Surely what you would have expected from him is that he is just on standby?

This is why your posts dont make sense. You should apologise to him and try to smooth it over. I notice as well you just make reference to your partner feeling his dad wasnt there at times when he was struggling. I wonder if he also has unreasonable expectations too, the two of you being similar perhaps and therefore there might be nothing lacking about his dad at all.