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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/07/2025 15:33

I'm completely lost now. Has the third baby even been born yer?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:33

Spotthering · 20/07/2025 15:32

No, that’s not her mum. Her mum isn’t as hands on as she hoped she would be. It’s her MIL who has cancer which is why they haven’t used her as an option.

Yes, my bad, I got mixed up.

It's still pretty grim to expect a 72 year old to provide two weeks of support though.

MouldyCandy · 20/07/2025 15:33

You've had your baby now. DH should be on paternity leave. Send your mum home to recouporate. Make arrangements to visit MIL and FIL when you feel able. They are not there to look after your DC - you and your DH are.

mrsconradfisher · 20/07/2025 15:33

Good grief, don’t have so many children if you don’t want to look after them. I had zero support from my parents or in-laws when my DC were small.
DH went on an international trip for work when DS2 was a few days old and he was born at 32 weeks and in NICU. I dropped DS1 at school, drove the hour to NICU spent the day then came home to get DS1 from school.
I couldn’t imagine getting my Mum to spend 2 weeks waiting for a baby to be born.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 20/07/2025 15:34

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:12

That’s all we wanted help with! We asked for nothing else. I look after two children and worked until due date and I’ve had a high risk pregnancy. I took advice from my midwives. But sounds like I was wrong. I didn’t necessarily expect him to cancel but an alternative date would have been nice. My partner is his only child. I would be down to help any of my DC for anything they needed. The two weeks are two weeks out of the entire year for this special circumstance not every month. But I guess if I ask for peoples opinions I have to accept what they say

Of course you will do anything your children want, when in your 70's and undergoing chemo and they "just" want two weeks labour from you.

You are so not anywhere near having to deal with that, and I suspect you will find reality when you are.

Moonnstars · 20/07/2025 15:34

It sounds like FIL has his own life and is not that interested in grandchildren, which I think is fair enough.
Having already had trouble with childcare with your second child and your partner missing their birth maybe you should have considered whether a third was sensible and whether you would actually manage 2 children while pregnant and not need your own mum to come and stay for any length, and whether you would need to choose a friend to be your birth partner or hired a doula.
You don't mention any local connections. Could you not have asked a nursery worker about babysitting? A neighbour for last minute arrangements? One of the children's friends from school or nursery?
Or as I said, maybe planned all along that your partner would not be able to attend the birth and who you could ask as an alternative.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:34

oudle · 20/07/2025 15:28

Her mum needs respite because she's 72 and going through chemo, and her adult daughter roped her in to providing two weeks of totally unnecessary support.

I thought the MIL had cancer but either way it's not the FILs fault.

Yep, my bad, I read it wrong.

Totally agree it's not the FIL's fault, though. OP should have gone to hospital alone and her husband should have done the childcare.

chunkybear · 20/07/2025 15:35

The world has sadly changed
From the baby boomers growing up where they often had family close, helping, less family at work, lots of support, but you asked and he said no. It's sad because it would
Be helpful but you can't rely on people to give up their free time I'm afraid. My IL's are pretty crappy too, I ended up having a section with my second so the consultant booked me in for the first of the day and we dropped DD3 at nursery and off we went! My ILs were late 60's at the time and both retired, an hour away, and the answer to whether they could help in the middle of the night if necessary was 'well I suppose so, if we must' ... to be fair they'd always said they wouldn't be doing any child care each week for us which is actually not even thought of as they said it so early on in pregnancy, and they did say they'd help if the kids were sick, but I can easily WFH and DH always WFH so it's not been needed. So whilst I feel for you, and I'd never treat my kids like this when they decide to have a family, it's just luck of the draw I think with family support

Katrinawaves · 20/07/2025 15:35

This is very weird thread. I have 3 children myself (one with special needs) and in the last 2 weeks of a pregnancy would have been more than capable of entertaining and looking after an elderly woman with chemo and keeping on top of the housework to the extent needed. There is no way on earth I’d have sat on my ass and let an elderly woman work herself on the point of exhaustion. Had the OP done her own housework for those 2 weeks, her mother would have been more than capable of the small amount of babysitting she thought she was volunteering for without any need of respite from the FIL.

entitled and lazy are my impressions here.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:36

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/07/2025 15:30

Well that's a bit mean.
Most women like to have their husbands with them on such an important occasion.

That's what paid childcare is for though, isn't it?

Spotthering · 20/07/2025 15:36

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:33

Yes, my bad, I got mixed up.

It's still pretty grim to expect a 72 year old to provide two weeks of support though.

Apparently she was providing no support after from staying there. So not sure why she was exhausted and needed a break.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 20/07/2025 15:36

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:17

We don’t want long term help we just needed someone at home for the arrival of the baby if I went into labour at early hours or whilst one was at school and needed collecting

But your mother was already there? Why did it take two people?

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 15:37

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:12

That’s all we wanted help with! We asked for nothing else. I look after two children and worked until due date and I’ve had a high risk pregnancy. I took advice from my midwives. But sounds like I was wrong. I didn’t necessarily expect him to cancel but an alternative date would have been nice. My partner is his only child. I would be down to help any of my DC for anything they needed. The two weeks are two weeks out of the entire year for this special circumstance not every month. But I guess if I ask for peoples opinions I have to accept what they say

Why didn't you pay for a nanny, or plan for other suitable childcare? Why didn't your husband take parental leave? You had months to prepare for this.
We had no parents. No other relatives nearby. So we always had to plan with paid childcare. That's life. You'll need to be a bit more self reliant and self sufficient going forward.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:37

Spotthering · 20/07/2025 15:36

Apparently she was providing no support after from staying there. So not sure why she was exhausted and needed a break.

Probably because she's 72 years old and suddenly found herself living with her daughter, son-in-law and two grandchildren for two weeks - for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

outerspacepotato · 20/07/2025 15:37

You're not nearly as self sufficient as you think if you're expecting older relatives who live at a distance to drop their plans and come help when you summon them.

This is your 3rd. You know you needed local childcare. You can't rely on people who live at a distance. Is your FIL working? Was he supposed to drop everything?

Working your 72 year old mom to exhaustion and the point that she needs respite and you expect another adult to come in and manage your household instead of your husband is just extremely entitled.

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 20/07/2025 15:38

However i don’t understand why the OP’s mum has been helping out round the house so much for the last two weeks that she’s knackered. Maybe if you’d let her put her feet up you wouldn’t be needing to give her a break. I appreciate that sometimes people feel they need to help and maybe you couldn’t stop her though. If so it’s a shame she’s worn herself out rather than putting her feet up for two weeks.

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 15:38

Moonnstars · 20/07/2025 15:34

It sounds like FIL has his own life and is not that interested in grandchildren, which I think is fair enough.
Having already had trouble with childcare with your second child and your partner missing their birth maybe you should have considered whether a third was sensible and whether you would actually manage 2 children while pregnant and not need your own mum to come and stay for any length, and whether you would need to choose a friend to be your birth partner or hired a doula.
You don't mention any local connections. Could you not have asked a nursery worker about babysitting? A neighbour for last minute arrangements? One of the children's friends from school or nursery?
Or as I said, maybe planned all along that your partner would not be able to attend the birth and who you could ask as an alternative.

Yes, I agree. I don't think their planning is very good.

Janeeyrre · 20/07/2025 15:38

I can totally get why you and DH feel stressed, sounds like your DH works hard and you have 3 DC so you are also working bloody hard.

However if your FIL who lives a distance away sees his GK every 3 months roughly and is hands on and involved I think I would have let it go and said no worries when he explained why he couldn't help.

ClearlyAGiraffe · 20/07/2025 15:39

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 20/07/2025 15:32

Seriously? I mean most women would like the support of their partner while they’re in labour. Most men would like to see their kid being born. Sure if there’s no alternative then there isn’t but I don’t think someone asking their parent to help in this situation is unreasonable. It’s great you weren’t bothered but I can promise you that’s unusual.

I’ve been a midwife for 20 years and the only times I’ve looked after women without a partner being there then the guy is either in the army, in prison, very unexpectedly held up somewhere, seriously ill in hospital or they have split up.

I have never known a woman labour on her own just because the dad was at home with an older kid.

But the OP’s mother is there to look after the other children so that the husband can go to the birth. That’s why she is there.

But she is worn out from all the housework.

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 20/07/2025 15:39

A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite

he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman

Sounds like you worked your mother into the ground when she was there so much so she needed respite.

How 2 fully functional adults need that level of care is mindblowing. You did not need your FIL there in case you went into labour, you suggested he would do some heavy lifting while your mother recovered from doing it.

This is not about having someone in your home on standby in case you went into labour and more about having unpaid help on tap.

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 15:40

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:17

We don’t want long term help we just needed someone at home for the arrival of the baby if I went into labour at early hours or whilst one was at school and needed collecting

we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work.

Why did the poor woman 'really need a rest' though?

It sounds as though your FIL can see you're taking advantage of your mum and he won't allow you and your DH to do the same to him.

Fair play.

beAsensible1 · 20/07/2025 15:40

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:19

my partner did do it after work, she just kept trying to be useful. I didn’t ask her to do anything she even said no I can’t sit still when I said please relax. Her only request from me was could she collect the children if I went into labour or stay in the house to watch them if I end up in hospital. I dont think my post made that clear although I thought I had. I’m not looking for long term child care it was just for the prep of my labour.

yhe Solution was to get your mum to come down 2/3 days before due date not 2 weeks.

asking FIL (who is famously absent) last minute was a losing plan.

user4287964265 · 20/07/2025 15:41

It does sound a bit like you’ve had more kids than you can cope with OP. We have no grandparents that are capable of any assistance, (dead or health issues of their own) so thats why we only had two…We had to have a nanny during the daytime and babysitters in the evening, it’s just how it was for us. Family help would have been fab but just wasn't possible. You’re lucky you have help at all.

JLou08 · 20/07/2025 15:41

Some of these comments are harsh.
I dont think you were wrong to want help but I also don't think your FIL was wrong to refuse to help when he had plans, it doesn't sound like he has been a great father to your DH but that's another matter.
I can really appreciate you wanting your mum to come and stay. It's normal to not want to be alone when giving birth and it's normal for the father to want to be there. I do think DH should have maybe stepped up a bit with the housework to stop your mum becoming so tired.

Applesonthelawn · 20/07/2025 15:41

The problem is your expectations. Yes he may well be useless, but he's allowed to be and you have no comeback, because his child rearing days are over. If he was useless when he had small children himself, all the more reason for you never to rely on him. Just accept the situation as it is and you'll have far less stress. Stop expecting him to suddenly change into a different person for you.