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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

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KillerMounjaro · 20/07/2025 15:07

What does FKD mean?

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 15:07

Your mother shouldn't have 'needed a rest' just because she was good enough to come and stay incase you went into labour.

What exactly is your partner doing, and why hasn't he taken
leave from work?

Richiewoo · 20/07/2025 15:08

You sound very entitled. You expect your family who don't live near you to drop everything.

dogcatkitten · 20/07/2025 15:09

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:53

So many posters here are missing the point entirely! Sure, the guy can do what he likes and he doesn't owe his son and DIL anything. It's just that he is choosing to be an utter c**t. That's the point OP is making. Showing some interest in his newborn grandchild surely should be a normal thing. At least you know where you stand @Starlightbright200

He thought they were offended with him because he had his own plans, if he hasn't talked to his son presumably he didn't ring to say the baby had arrived or that there were problems. He's not a mind reader and didn't want to get his head bitten off again, which happened again as soon as his DIL did talk to him. She sounds hard work and expects everyone to drop what they are doing for her and if they don't, boom you get it full blast!

ThePoshUns · 20/07/2025 15:10

How much help do you need? I’m not sure why you are expecting family members to drop everything to come and stay with you to help. Your choice to have 3 children, you need to just get on with it. No one is obligated to help you.

TryingToBeHelpful267 · 20/07/2025 15:10

Honestly you seem to expect too much

MrBallenIsaFittie · 20/07/2025 15:11

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 15:05

And really shocked to read so many posters jumping to the defence of a bloke who'd rather be at a piss up with his colleagues than with his family.

Edited

I have two teens, I have more than done my time child rearing (with no help!) and if I have the opportunity to go out with my colleagues on a boozy evening out then I am bloody well going!
It is interesting how it is all about 'faaaaaaamily' when OP wants everyone on a rota to help with the three children her and her other half produced.....I wonder how much they are helping her elderly mother and FIL? Or does the help only travel down to the next generation?

Luckyingame · 20/07/2025 15:12

So what?

Delphiniumandlupins · 20/07/2025 15:12

You asked FiL to come for the weekend, so your mum could have a break. He said he couldn't due to a prior, annual event. Also reasonable that he didn't want to travel early the next day. Then you're upset that he didn't offer to come another day/weekend - did you ask him for an alternative date?

He keeps his distance after your child is born, knowing you and your DH are upset with him. You blame him, not your DH, for not opening communication. I think maybe they're as bad as each other.

Visiting London is a major deal for many of us who don't live there.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:12

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:59

It says they didn't have childcare in place for the birth of their 3rd child! That's entirely different from regular 'date night' childcare. Jesus wept.

That’s all we wanted help with! We asked for nothing else. I look after two children and worked until due date and I’ve had a high risk pregnancy. I took advice from my midwives. But sounds like I was wrong. I didn’t necessarily expect him to cancel but an alternative date would have been nice. My partner is his only child. I would be down to help any of my DC for anything they needed. The two weeks are two weeks out of the entire year for this special circumstance not every month. But I guess if I ask for peoples opinions I have to accept what they say

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Glitchymn1 · 20/07/2025 15:13

I’ve got to be honest, I don’t think I’ll want to babysit either 🙈 DH and I have plans, to travel to possibly buy a second home somewhere. I’ll be around for any births but day to day, sorry I don’t want to be looking after a baby. Presumably they’ve all helped you with child one, child two and now child three- goodness it’s a big ask isn’t it.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 20/07/2025 15:13

Why do you need FIL there this weekend if baby is already born and your DM was there for childcare during the birth? If you and baby are home now surely you and DP manage childcare between you? And won’t your DP have 2 weeks paternity leave? Most couples cope between them when they have a newborn and if you can’t manage 3 children between you why didn’t you stop at 2? And if you really can’t cope pay a babysitter to take the eldest 2 out for the day whilst you and DP manage the baby?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:13

So your mother is 72 and going through chemo, and you thought it was acceptable to get her to come and stay for two weeks to help you and your DH with your kids? Then you got pissed off with your FIL for not dropping everything to be there as well?

I think that's absolutely shocking behaviour on your part.

hmmimnotsurewhy · 20/07/2025 15:13

MrBallenIsaFittie · 20/07/2025 14:43

You seem to expect a lot of help from your family.
Why on earth did you need your mother staying with you for two weeks?
Sounds like FIL has got the measure of you and your partner and is ensuring he doesn't get roped in like your mother has been.

This exactly. 3 kids and you can’t keep up. No one needs 3 kids, but you’re angry at everyone because no one is helping you but you chose to have that many. I too wouldn’t be rushing over to help with 3 young kids.

AngelofIslington · 20/07/2025 15:13

I don’t think your FIL did anything wrong.
You said your DM was there so you had childcare when you went to hospital. This in itself isn’t too bad but when you mentioned you wanted to give her “respite” it seems that she was there for far more than that.

CoastalCalm · 20/07/2025 15:14

How far away does your mum live ? I think her coming two weeks in advance of due date is too much to ask of anyone regardless of age - you’ve had months to arrange childcare for when you go into labour , it’s really unfair to blame any of your parents for failing to jump when you click your fingers

mum2be005 · 20/07/2025 15:14

I think you’re being very unreasonable here.

You’ve had months to arrange help around your due date and if you wanted either of your parents around near the time of the birth you should have asked sooner and had a plan in place months ago with schedules for everyone to come and go.

your FIL had plans (doesn’t matter what you think of these plans) and said he couldn’t do it.

As a mum to be I have plans in place for around my due date (not for childcare -1st baby for me 4th for DP and his kids are all grown up) for the dog. I also don’t expect or want anyone to give up their lives for me for days or weeks at a time. They are on standby for when the time comes and even then depending on the day and time I have plans for who to call.

I think there may be underlying tension with DH and FIL but that’s for them to deal with as a separate issue.

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 15:14

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/07/2025 15:05

Uncaring or boundaried?

It is entirely possible (and healthy!) to be both caring and boundaried. That guy was just plain uncaring and came up with a lame excuse for his prolonged silence. I don't know why his behaviour is apparently deemed expected and acceptable. The message the guy is sending is clearly that he couldn't care less. Maybe that's just me. And it's not like I've not been there by the way - very same - 2nd child in my case, born in the middle of the night, no childcare. Parents and ILs not available - but they showed they cared and if they had had a chance to be there, they would have been. That's a major difference. OP even offered to pay for her FIL's fare so he wouldn't be out of pocket. In my view, it is very much an issue of priorities. I can't think of my relatives on either side privileging a piss up over the birth of their grandchild. That is not about being entitled, it just means that we seem to have a different perspective on what family means.

Delphiniumandlupins · 20/07/2025 15:15

KillerMounjaro · 20/07/2025 15:07

What does FKD mean?

Presumably fucked, as in drunk/hungover/recovering from a hangover

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:15

ACatNamedRobin · 20/07/2025 14:41

Ok but everyone must think that you're happy enough with the status quo as regards childcare and support, since you're having/have had your third child??

Yes we didn’t want a long term solution we just needed him to be there incase I went into labour so my mum wasn’t the only person to reach out to.

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:16

Delphiniumandlupins · 20/07/2025 15:15

Presumably fucked, as in drunk/hungover/recovering from a hangover

Yes it was this.

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NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 20/07/2025 15:16

I think you’re expecting a bit too much help. You chose to have a third child. If the reason for your mum being there was for childcare at the point you went into labour, then that’s all you needed - your fil didn’t need to be there. If your mum was exhausted from housework, you tell her to stop working and relax.

eta clearly there’s a strained relationship between your husband and his dad that needs addressing and I can understand that he seems to not care, but you didn’t need him there when you had your mum.

Thunderpants88 · 20/07/2025 15:16

Agree with others. We have a lot of help from people nearby who want to spend time with their grandchildren (all retired) and we have 4 under 6 HOWEVER if they all point blank refused any help tomorrow I wouldn’t be annoyed or resentful. We chose to have 4 children because that is what we want with the full knowledge that we have the captivity to cope alone. Expecting someone to drop their plans to accommodate yours is very entitled and you are trying to use your husbands fathers past actions in some kind of “owes him” going forward. The two have nothing to do with each other. He was a shite Dad to your DH. That’s a separate issue to you thinking he owes you guys now.

he has good boundaries which it sounds like he need to have with you.

GAJLY · 20/07/2025 15:17

You're both expecting too much. He's never going to visit and help, he doesn't want to. If you're struggling, don't have any more. I don't have a good support network either. I have disengaged parents on both sides. Yes it's hurtful, but they had their kids and didn't make mine! I stopped at 2, because I struggled some times, without family help. There's no need to fall out, just be civil.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:17

swiveleyedtransphobe · 20/07/2025 14:44

Why do you need help? I had 3 kids and never had any help at all, just me and DH, had to get on with it, grandparents were not interested and never babysat

We don’t want long term help we just needed someone at home for the arrival of the baby if I went into labour at early hours or whilst one was at school and needed collecting

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