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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 23:08

Ohmygodnotnow · 20/07/2025 22:58

The responses I've read so far just blow my mind. It is absolutely not unreasonable to ask FIL to stay for one night just in case you go into Labour so HIS SON didn't miss the birth of his baby. All these commenters saying 'yeah it's your choice to have three kids, you sound really entitled and whiny' clearly have no concept of basic family love. My mum would come from the ends of the earth to help with my DC if I needed her and FIL can't give up an evening on the lash for his son? Fuck him, how disgusting. Thank god your DH hasn't taken after him.

How do you know his son hasn't taken after him?

His son was party to an elderly lady needing respite after a two week stay, because she was so knackered.

That's a 2 week stay with BOTH parents living in that house. She was only supposed to be there in case the OP went into labour during the night and they needed someone to mind the kids.

It's not a case of not giving up his evening, it sounds like a case of not wanting the piss taken out of him.

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 23:12

Kettlemetal · 20/07/2025 20:02

this is just so cold and depressing.

society has lost so much of its warmth and care. Caring for each other (which usually is most notable to and from those closest to us eg family) is one of the best parts of human nature. I feel sorry for this poster if this is your take on life.

I think it's something to do with how much lead was in the pipework back in the day, peaking between 60s - 70s. Lead exposure during childhood can have detrimental effects on the personality, essentially making people exposed to it unkind, unsympathetic and uncooperative.

I'd suggest that's part of why you see these older people preferring to go on a piss up with people they see all week long, rather than help support their children (that they barely see) during their most vulnerable moments in life.

LeopardPants · 20/07/2025 23:15

HauntedMarshmallow · 20/07/2025 21:15

Oh good, the ‘just get on with it brigade.’

It was actually more common in the past for families to help each other out. My DH spent loads of time being looked after by Aunties and Grandparents.

Not everyone wants to do that which is fine but life is not a race to the bottom. Just because no one was kind enough to help you out doesn’t mean nobody else should ever get any help.

Op was clear that they have had one evening to themselves in four years and you begrudge them that.

Some people’s circumstances mean that sadly they can never receive family help. But where people do have family who just can’t be arsed, there is no need to be so proud of it. It’s very sad.

Grandparents shouldn’t be used as a substitute for paid childcare but I am of the view that people shouldn’t have kids if they don’t want to be supportive of them after the age of 18 or when they have kids of their own.

I know - the attitude of some on here is crazy! How dare anyone ask for support at these one off life events - how dare they !

Very odd. Just because their family was crap doesn’t mean they should delight in everyone else’s family being crap!

SharpLily · 20/07/2025 23:27

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:58

Why is everyone saying I want someone to take care of my kids?!? I don’t understand

Yeah, I was pretty sure the thread would go this way because:

  1. People tend not to actually read properly. At least not when they're in such a hurry to jump in and give the OP a kicking.
  2. On Mumsnet people don't seem to believe in the concept of family, at least not the way I know it but I live in Spain where grandmothers are not only expected to help out but deeply offended if not asked. I don't even get on well with my mother but I would have struggled without her help, and I hope I get the opportunity to help my daughters if they need something similar. On Mumsnet you can never, ever ask anyone else to look after your children. Even if you die, you can't ever ask for or expect any help. You'll be expected to do it all from the grave. It's grim.

I kind of get it - if you don't have decent family relationships you may find it weird to have family help but I can't see how it's in any way unreasonable to ask your own mother or father to help out on such a significant occasion as the birth of their grandchild! Particularly if you don't make a habit of it and the OP has been clear they don't. It's weird here.

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 23:27

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 19:54

I don’t get the impression that FIL is drunk every weekend, but he was attending an end of year work event, you know once a year. Not spending his “weekends drunk”.

I mean how fucking dare he want to have a bit of a social life, between his working weeks….

It was a work event... With people from work... Who he sees regularly, at work.

He barely sees his son. He decided getting pissed with his colleagues was more important than his son being at the birth of his child (so he could support his wife through what could have been, and sounds like it did end up being, a traumatic and painful event).

She could have had the baby that weekend, but FIL did not give two shits. He needed to get drunk with the lads from the office! Highly important stuff.

Again, you do realise it's possible to socialise without getting 'FKD'? He could have gone to the work thing, not got smashed, and still helped his son and his family out.

But naaaaah, fuck em! Grandad needs to get trollied.

outerspacepotato · 20/07/2025 23:29

"Why on earth would you go for a paid or friends option before you would ask your own parents? "

Because the Mom and FIL are not local.

They wanted someone in the home in case OP had a precipitous labour and delivery and she wanted childcare already in house if that happened. This is unreasonable. You can't expect others to put their entire life on hold to sit around your house waiting for something. They needed to set up local, accessible childcare in case of emergency if OP wanted her husband at the delivery. And if family can't or won't, they need to pay for that care or set up reciprocal emergency childcare with local friends. Did they ever discuss induction? They have known this need existed for months.

MIL got worked to exhaustion so needed a rest. FIL was not available, he works full time and had a once a year work event to go to.

The oddest thing is OP doesn't answer about her husband pitching in while her 72 year old mother is worked to exhaustion. If she was just there in case, how did she get worked so hard she had to go home? If she gets this exhausted by household chores, is she really ok to be watching two young kids?

HeadbandUnited · 20/07/2025 23:38

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:58

He heavy lifting I meant being the one to step up not literally heavy lifting and being over worked!

Then it sounds like you wanted to make a point to FIL that he "owed" you an equal contribution to what your mother had given, and that you also wanted to make a grand gesture to your mother of giving her time off (time off that she didn't really need as, per your updates, she wasn't really doing anything that she wouldn't have been doing in her own house).

The problem is that YOU didn't have the resources to make that gesture without making a really unreasonable demand of your FIL. You weren't just asking for support, you were asking specifically - and at short notice - for two full days of support on that particular weekend, without regard as to whether those arrangements worked for FIL.

It's really unreasonable to expect someone to cancel an event that they have been looking forward to because you suddenly need them to make a grand gesture on your behalf.

queenMab99 · 20/07/2025 23:43

Are the inlaws in their 60s and your mother is 72? I think you are asking a lot, all that travel and inconvenience, to help out a healthy couple who are expecting a 3rd child.

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 23:46

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 23:27

It was a work event... With people from work... Who he sees regularly, at work.

He barely sees his son. He decided getting pissed with his colleagues was more important than his son being at the birth of his child (so he could support his wife through what could have been, and sounds like it did end up being, a traumatic and painful event).

She could have had the baby that weekend, but FIL did not give two shits. He needed to get drunk with the lads from the office! Highly important stuff.

Again, you do realise it's possible to socialise without getting 'FKD'? He could have gone to the work thing, not got smashed, and still helped his son and his family out.

But naaaaah, fuck em! Grandad needs to get trollied.

Grandad needs to get trollied.

Projecting your own alcohol issues onto others isn't helpful.

The vast majority of people who attend events where alcohol is served, manage to drink without getting 'trollied' as you put it.

If you can't, that's a completely different thread.

Gremlins101 · 20/07/2025 23:54

It's fine to ask for help, but don't have a hissy fit when someone can't do it. You can't expect someone to drop their plans for you!

Blessthismess2 · 21/07/2025 00:04

Ohmygodnotnow · 20/07/2025 22:58

The responses I've read so far just blow my mind. It is absolutely not unreasonable to ask FIL to stay for one night just in case you go into Labour so HIS SON didn't miss the birth of his baby. All these commenters saying 'yeah it's your choice to have three kids, you sound really entitled and whiny' clearly have no concept of basic family love. My mum would come from the ends of the earth to help with my DC if I needed her and FIL can't give up an evening on the lash for his son? Fuck him, how disgusting. Thank god your DH hasn't taken after him.

There’s nothing wrong at all in asking but FIL said no because he had existing plans. He lives 2 hours away, is still working, he had plans and it was a last minute request. It was perfectly ok for him to say no and it wasn’t ok to punish or row with him about that. Ofc it’s understandable that OP wanted her husband there at the birth but she needed to accept the no and make other plans. Perhaps the kids could have stayed at a friends overnight while her mum got some restbite.

NurtureGrow · 21/07/2025 00:13

Martoni · 20/07/2025 17:44

As soon as I read your post I knew you’d get a bashing.

But I do feel for you. We’ve been in a similar position, DH family live down the road from us but don’t help. We’ve given up on it now and just accept we don’t have their support.

Which is fine, no one should expect it. It just stings when you see your friends going off on spa weekends and nights out with their DH whilst their parents look after the kids.

I completely agree. I do not think you are being unreasonable OP. I think it’s hard as just 1 generation ago, really, it seems family would have been around to help. Now we are often expected to manage with no help.. and they have forgotten the help they have. I don’t mean lots of help. Just things like this - giving birth!!

Like @Martoni said, it does sting a bit. I have a friend nearby who sees her parents once a week. They hold the baby, offer her tea. It’s the kind of thing I dream of. She tells me like it’s normal for everyone. I’ve never said I have the opposite experience. When I gave birth, I asked my mum to come to stay for 1 night, just to spend time (I didn’t want ‘help’ as such.) She insisted on coming for the day only, despite living 3.5 hours to get here / get back (each way.) It floored me. Eventually she did come to stay the night. I’ve always known she wasn’t present for me in a normal way. But to insist in that way after birth, yes, I couldn’t believe it.

Im sorry your family are not as present as you would hope xx

SharpLily · 21/07/2025 00:14

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 23:46

Grandad needs to get trollied.

Projecting your own alcohol issues onto others isn't helpful.

The vast majority of people who attend events where alcohol is served, manage to drink without getting 'trollied' as you put it.

If you can't, that's a completely different thread.

Erm, except that's what Grandad said he was planning? And I'm pretty sure he didn't expect to feel FKD the next day from sticking to water.

Franjipanl8r · 21/07/2025 00:22

My parents and in-laws are really helpful but rarely change their plans at the last minute and that’s fine . I love my dad and he bends over backwards to help us but I can imagine him saying what your FIL said. Do you have friends to help out if you’re desperate?

Jewel52 · 21/07/2025 00:26

PhilippaGeorgiou · 20/07/2025 15:06

Quite. Both the OP and her OH seem to be under the impression that they are owed what they want. They have struggled to afford two children (plus the lifestyle they would obviously like) so they decided to add another child, and far from "not asking much" they expect everyone else to pick up for them.

Yes, what awful people they are, anyone voluntarily having 3 children are just implicitly utter bastards who should be afforded no help by their family whatsoever 🙄

Mumwithbaggage · 21/07/2025 00:37

Your op wore me out so I didn't finish reading it.

This is what friends are for - call them in the middle of the night if the baby turns up. You are very very family reliant which would be fine but your family are not (for various reasons) on the same page so sort something else out.

babyproblems · 21/07/2025 00:45

I think you need a doula. Your family aren’t capable of giving what you want so honestly I think you need to let that go and organise someone who can come exactly as you wish. Best of luck xxx

Applecrumble0110 · 21/07/2025 00:59

OP I feel so bad for you because this was the wrong place to ask for help, I could have already guessed the replies lol. You are not incompetent or a bad mother for needing help. In my culture a woman's mil/mother/sister come to stay with her for as long as they want or can when she has a baby to pamper her and make her postpartum journey easier hy helping with whatever. We believe bringing a child into the world is a blessing and a joy for everyone to enjoy so I could never understand the viewpoint of grandparents who don't LOVE to spend lots of time with a new baby/grandchildren. And for those banging on about why was your mun doing your partners job, so what if you wanted some childcare so you have your partner there for your birth? Baffles me all these women who think you didn't deserve that situation. Projecting their issues I feel.

Yachties · 21/07/2025 01:05

Other people have a life too. It’s tough with 3 dc but it was your choice to have them and not your extended family’s choice.

Bobloblawww · 21/07/2025 04:41

TL, DR; you had three kids and now you have to look after them.

Hellovation · 21/07/2025 05:20

OP you’ve two separate issues.

Your husbands father is a bad dad and disinterested grandfather. That’s really sad for your husband.

You don’t have enough childcare/money/support for three kids. But you knew this before you had a third and I’m confused as to why you would continue expanding your family? you are unreasonable, unfortunately. It is no one else’s need or responsibility but you and your husbands. Sure, familial support is nice, but rare in real life and should never ever be expected especially from
ageing parents. Send your poor mother home.

Skittles123456 · 21/07/2025 05:26

Sorry but I’m with FIL he doesn’t owe you anything, he doesn’t even need an excuse and it’s ridiculous expecting someone to be there to take over from your mum.
to be honest my mother is in her 70s and myself and my partner wouldn’t dream of asking her to stay for 2 weeks . Would sooner give birth alone without my partner there than ask that of my mum.

Peplumb · 21/07/2025 05:29

CremeEggThief · 20/07/2025 15:04

Of course YABU.

If people don't want to help for any reason at all that is their choice!

I hid from the postman on Friday, because I didn't want the responsibility of taking a parcel in for one of the neighbours. I just wasn't in the mood, so I chose not to. Simple as that.

That’s ridiculous behaviour on your part. How silly and unhelpful. MN blows my mind sometimes.

Zanatdy · 21/07/2025 05:50

I don’t know why you’re getting a bashing for having your mum to stay when it was clear the reason was so you didn’t have to give birth alone.

But I think you’ve been unfair to your FIL. You asked him last minute, and he had plans. You were grumpy with him for not changing those plans. That’s really unfair.

user1492757084 · 21/07/2025 05:54

FIL is being honest.
Visit them more times per year. Plan to visit six times and plan to have a night out with your husband while FIL and his wife are hands on.
You are right to only use proper child care or relatives who truly want to come down to stay and be emergency child carers for you.

Maybe once or twice per year try inviting FIL and his wife to London at a time that suits them. Shout them to see a show one night and the next night organise them to babysit. Have family walk in park time etc. too.

You need to be more flexible, less needy and develop more of an equal adult relationship with parents.