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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
Nuglife123 · 20/07/2025 19:07

Praying4Peace · 20/07/2025 18:26

Apologise for what???
I think OP is being given a very hard time here

This 👆

Digdongdoo · 20/07/2025 19:10

Tryonemoretime · 20/07/2025 19:07

Goodness! I'm wide eyed at some of these responses. Shouldn't families support each other? Isn't that the definition of a family? A network of blood / linked by marriage or adoptive relatives who love and care for each other whenever they can? I've not read the whole thread, but understand that OPs MIL has been unwell and going through chemo, so OP can't ask her to be available. But I'm amazed that FIL wouldn't give up a boozy night to be on call so his only son could be at the birth of his third baby. My mum was wonderful when I had baby 3 in another country - she flew out early at what was a really traumatic time for us. If she'd not been able to come, my dad would have or my MIL or FIL. And you know what? When our parents were ill, what did we do? We dropped everything to help them...because we loved them (still support my 97 year old dad) and because that's what families do!

But he wasn't asked to be on call so his son could be at the birth of his 3rd baby. He was asked to give up his weekend, and travel there and back in time for work just in case. There is a big difference.

Tryonemoretime · 20/07/2025 19:11

Tryonemoretime · 20/07/2025 19:07

Goodness! I'm wide eyed at some of these responses. Shouldn't families support each other? Isn't that the definition of a family? A network of blood / linked by marriage or adoptive relatives who love and care for each other whenever they can? I've not read the whole thread, but understand that OPs MIL has been unwell and going through chemo, so OP can't ask her to be available. But I'm amazed that FIL wouldn't give up a boozy night to be on call so his only son could be at the birth of his third baby. My mum was wonderful when I had baby 3 in another country - she flew out early at what was a really traumatic time for us. If she'd not been able to come, my dad would have or my MIL or FIL. And you know what? When our parents were ill, what did we do? We dropped everything to help them...because we loved them (still support my 97 year old dad) and because that's what families do!

To add....some families aren't able to give the support they'd like to - because of frailty, distance or enormous work commitments. Fair play. But it sounds to me that OP wasn't and isn't asking for constant child care. She just needed some love, compassion and kindness from her FAMILY!

Dramatic · 20/07/2025 19:16

I don't think it's accurate to say that most people don't have any help from family, I don't know a single person who's had to give birth alone because they had noone to watch their older kids. Also most people seems to have help in one way or another from family, whether it's an occasional bit of babysitting or regular childcare.

Op, I do think if you've got some close friends you can rely on them a bit more, one of my friends had her baby by emergency c section prematurely and was in hospital for a week, I picked her daughter up from nursery every day and waited for her dad to come and pick her up after visiting time. I also watched my other friends two kids when she had her youngest, I'm sure most people would do that for you if you asked.

Moonnstars · 20/07/2025 19:20

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 18:20

You were worried you'd give birth in under an hour but were going into work until the day?

That feels... risky

I agree with this.

Again it sounds like another twist in the tale. Midwife is concerned you could go into labour any minute yet doesn't sign you off from work.
As others have said, if you were worried your labour would happen that quickly the last thing you would want is to be having a baby in front of your work colleagues!

I don't think the issue was asking for help, but it seems rather bizarre you had your mum come and stay for so long, and that she is worn out from this despite children being in nursery. If you just needed help for the birth then I still think you could have planned things better with her on call and to hopefully arrive so partner wouldn't miss much or for you to have spoken to a friend or neighbour about being able to help out.

There is also a lack of mention of what the partner is doing a lot of the time. He works but surely not 24/7 so should be able to manage the house?

Beansandcheesearegood · 20/07/2025 19:20

I agree with the other posters. Your bu. You chose to have dc3 so get things in order. 2 weeks of your mum?! Honestly ypu had 2 dc and 2 adults im sure a friend could have collected other children for sleep over etc if need be then your dh cone home abd sort them I think you're expecting too much- try to be independent or at least grateful for help rather than ringing and demanding. I think Fil my be right to tajd a step away....

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 19:23

Cherrytree86 · 20/07/2025 18:25

@DonnyBurrito

and..? Getting pissed can be pretty fun you know! He was probably looking forward to it all year.

So you agree? Getting pissed up is more important than your children welcoming a new child? Super cool perspective, that.

Hope you aren't surprised when you're frail and your kids are too busy getting pissed to bother with you.

SunnySideDeepDown · 20/07/2025 19:26

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

I think what she was asking, is why did you mum need respite? Respite from what? You and your DH were looking after the kids and housework, so why was your mum so tired that you needed your FIL?

I get why you’re upset, when you needed family, he didn’t step up. But he’s right, he’s not going to change. Just remember that when he needs a favour!

Do neither of you have siblings or close friends nearby?

Internaut · 20/07/2025 19:28

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:49

She wasn’t there to do house work specifically she just did to be helpful. She was there because she was the closest family member so if I gave birth in the night my other two would have childcare or at any time really and if we needed school run doing etc. she was there to make sure I wasn’t alone again or that my partner missed it.

Edited - point covered in OP's later posts.

Minnie798 · 20/07/2025 19:30

@Tryonemoretime Would you have held it against your mum if she had said she was unable to fly out? Would you have hashed things out with an in law even though it wasn't really your place to do so?
Op even said herself if her mum had said no, they'd have simply looked at other options. So why is there an issue with FIL saying no. It's also not for op to decide whether the reason for being unavailable is acceptable or not. FIL is still working so it's not like all of his time is his own. Of course it is great when family offer to help out, or if they have zero commitments of their own and are happy ( and able) to drop everything at short notice. That's not the same thing as someone feeling 'entitled' to your time and expecting you to be at their beck and call.
I wonder what FIL's side of the story is.

Nosleepforthismum · 20/07/2025 19:35

I think that after you’ve had your first child some of us accept our DH/DP may not make it to their subsequent children’s births unfortunately. I had a loose plan for my mum to look after my eldest for the birth of my second but it was a high risk pregnancy and I was warned baby may be premature so the main plan was for DH to do all childcare and arrange emergency cover if needed and get to the hospital if and when he could. We fully accepted that he may not make the birth.

I think your mum is a hero tbh. My mum is 10 years younger and although adores her DGC, a few hours of them completely exhausts her. I wouldn’t ask or expect her to stay for two weeks as a “just in case”. I think her generosity is colouring your view of your FIL who I don’t think has done anything wrong really.

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 19:36

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 20/07/2025 16:34

Why does refusing to change his plans that he was looking forward to make him an “ utter cunt”?

His general attitude is in the gutter. It's one thing prioritising a piss up (in his own words, he was going to be to 'fucked' the next day) but not asking about the baby for three whole weeks (possibly knowing this was a high risk pregnancy) and then hiding behind a lame excuse as to why- yes, that signs a person's character in my view.

Pricelessadvice · 20/07/2025 19:36

What’s this ‘date night’ nonsense I keep hearing of?
Years ago people managed to raise their own children without constant grandparent help and they certainly didn’t expect help so they could have a ‘date night’!
Don’t have so many children of childcare is an issue!

101Alsatians · 20/07/2025 19:40

So you 'didn't share too much' with FILs wife but managed to get in that it was 'traumatic' and your partner 'thought the baby died'??

That sounds a little off,sorry the birth was so difficult but it sounds a little bit like you wanted that dripfeed to get back to FIL to make him feel bad.

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 19:42

Minnie798 · 20/07/2025 19:30

@Tryonemoretime Would you have held it against your mum if she had said she was unable to fly out? Would you have hashed things out with an in law even though it wasn't really your place to do so?
Op even said herself if her mum had said no, they'd have simply looked at other options. So why is there an issue with FIL saying no. It's also not for op to decide whether the reason for being unavailable is acceptable or not. FIL is still working so it's not like all of his time is his own. Of course it is great when family offer to help out, or if they have zero commitments of their own and are happy ( and able) to drop everything at short notice. That's not the same thing as someone feeling 'entitled' to your time and expecting you to be at their beck and call.
I wonder what FIL's side of the story is.

Edited

Talk about inflexible. I think if there's one time a parent should be at their kids 'beck and call', it's the few weeks around their grandchild being born. But obviously this isn't a popular perspective on MN, and all you long suffering 'elderly' grandparents who didn't have any help yourselves want to now spend your free time at the weekend getting drunk, instead of being there for the children you decided to bring into the world, and are outraged at any suggestion that you aren't very nice people. What a tragic lot.

Minnie798 · 20/07/2025 19:43

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 19:42

Talk about inflexible. I think if there's one time a parent should be at their kids 'beck and call', it's the few weeks around their grandchild being born. But obviously this isn't a popular perspective on MN, and all you long suffering 'elderly' grandparents who didn't have any help yourselves want to now spend your free time at the weekend getting drunk, instead of being there for the children you decided to bring into the world, and are outraged at any suggestion that you aren't very nice people. What a tragic lot.

I'm not a grandparent and hopefully won't be for quite some time given the age of my dc's.

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 19:46

Minnie798 · 20/07/2025 19:43

I'm not a grandparent and hopefully won't be for quite some time given the age of my dc's.

Cool story. I was talking about the general perspective that has materialised on this entire thread.

zizza · 20/07/2025 19:47

I did vote YABU, but only because it doesn't really seem surprising that your FIL would be like this, and actually he was pretty sensible saying that he wouldn't be in a fit state to look after the children if needed.

I haven't read every post but I know someone said, and I agree as this is what I did with no 3 (other DC were just 3 and 21 months when I had no 3), that just having a friend or 2 on call in case they were needed would've been sensible for the times your mum couldn't be there. One of my friends ( made through previous antenatal classes who lived a few roads away) came and slept at our house when I went into full-on labour in the middle of the night, and went home when my parents arrived an hour or so later.

I am also surprised though that you were working right up to your due date given what happened last time. Maternity leave is there for you to rest and prepare, not just for after the birth.

Move on and continue building the relationship with your FIL as he seems to enjoy time with his grandchildren and they'll benefit from that, even if he's not the man you and your dh wish he was.

Minnie798 · 20/07/2025 19:47

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 19:46

Cool story. I was talking about the general perspective that has materialised on this entire thread.

So why quote me. Put your post on without doing so.

Yeahno · 20/07/2025 19:50

Where I come from, it's customary for relatives to step in and offer support during childbirth and the postpartum period. We have a tradition known as omugwo, where a close family member stays with the new mother for about 40 days to help care for her and the baby. During this time, the mother is not expected to lift a finger. I believe that in many cultures with higher birth rates, similar support systems exist. Family involvement, both before and after birth, is seen as essential. These days, it is optional. People can decide for themselves how much support they want or need.
So for the OP to expect her father-in-law to offer just a day or two of support to his son and heavily pregnant daughter-in-law, and then receive such harsh pushback for it, is baffling to me. She’s not being lazy, both she and her husband worked right up until the due date. They simply need some help during a tricky time.
The idea that her father-in-law shouldn't be expected to help at all, and that the couple must handle everything entirely on their own, strikes me as unreasonable. This hyper-individualistic mindset is something the West gets wrong. I suspect it's one of the key factors contributing to declining birth rates in Western societies.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 19:54

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 19:42

Talk about inflexible. I think if there's one time a parent should be at their kids 'beck and call', it's the few weeks around their grandchild being born. But obviously this isn't a popular perspective on MN, and all you long suffering 'elderly' grandparents who didn't have any help yourselves want to now spend your free time at the weekend getting drunk, instead of being there for the children you decided to bring into the world, and are outraged at any suggestion that you aren't very nice people. What a tragic lot.

I don’t get the impression that FIL is drunk every weekend, but he was attending an end of year work event, you know once a year. Not spending his “weekends drunk”.

I mean how fucking dare he want to have a bit of a social life, between his working weeks….

Silverpaws · 20/07/2025 19:54

I think what you're really saying OP us that you're upset that your children's grandparent isn't really interested in son or grandchildren, which i would find pretty devastating.
I also find it incredibly sad to read from so many others that you shouldn't expect help from parents as I would hope this wouldn't be an expectation, but a given.
What a privilege to be invited to share the most incredible time in a family's life....and being able to support your own kids in ways that probably haven't been possible for 15 years.
I know I was incredibly lucky (I realise even more so reading this sorry thread) but all four of our kids' grandparents were delighted to help us whenever they could. Each set looked after them a day pw so i could go back to work. DH's mum used to play endless role play games and my parents couldn't keep away, my dad often calling round to see if anyone was playing. They made dens, pizzas, poems, paintings, operas, puppet theatres, gardens together. My kids had the time of their lives and our parents often refer to these early years as the best of their lives too. Looking back together on these times gives us all a wonderful sense of family and we marvel at the kids we've raised between us. They were all over 70 when our kids appeared and now, well into their 80s are active, interesting and sprightly- I wonder if their grandparenting has had an impact on this?
I genuinely feel sorry for the people I've known who have begrudged helping their kids out with grandchildren.
I am sorry that you are having to deal with this OP in the early days of your new creature, many congratulations and all the best x

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 19:56

Cherrytree86 · 20/07/2025 18:25

@DonnyBurrito

and..? Getting pissed can be pretty fun you know! He was probably looking forward to it all year.

On MN, daring to want to have a few drinks and have fun on a social is a cardinal sin. Especially if male

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 19:57

Yeahno · 20/07/2025 19:50

Where I come from, it's customary for relatives to step in and offer support during childbirth and the postpartum period. We have a tradition known as omugwo, where a close family member stays with the new mother for about 40 days to help care for her and the baby. During this time, the mother is not expected to lift a finger. I believe that in many cultures with higher birth rates, similar support systems exist. Family involvement, both before and after birth, is seen as essential. These days, it is optional. People can decide for themselves how much support they want or need.
So for the OP to expect her father-in-law to offer just a day or two of support to his son and heavily pregnant daughter-in-law, and then receive such harsh pushback for it, is baffling to me. She’s not being lazy, both she and her husband worked right up until the due date. They simply need some help during a tricky time.
The idea that her father-in-law shouldn't be expected to help at all, and that the couple must handle everything entirely on their own, strikes me as unreasonable. This hyper-individualistic mindset is something the West gets wrong. I suspect it's one of the key factors contributing to declining birth rates in Western societies.

Im not convinced that declining birth rates are a bad thing.

But in any case, this is another example of how this is a cultural expectation in some places and in some families, but not in this case. And the majority of voters also feel OP is unreasonable so its fair to say that this minor straw poll would suggest that culturally this is how it is here and thats ok.

Its somewhat irrelevant to say this is how it it is x or y country, what is the point of saying this? To say its better or not?

ChampagneLassie · 20/07/2025 19:58

Sometimes mumsnet is weird - almost mums hating! I don’t really understand why you’re getting such grief. We similarly struggled for support with birth of our 2nd such that I had a nanny agency and neighbours on call at different points. Thankfully that wasn’t needed. But I did start at hospital on my own till my SIL could get help