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Not invited to DSis big birthday

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50FreezeOut1 · 19/07/2025 22:42

My DSis turned 50 yesterday and I've found out today she had a birthday meal out with her friends, my siblings and our parents.

AIBU to be upset at not being invited?

Photos look to be about 10 friends plus DB (no partner at the moment) and DSis+DBIL. Plus DB's son and DSis daughter and son. Plus DM and DF. Plus DSis50 and DBIL and their DDs.

This came as a complete surprise. We caught up at May half term and hung out for a weekend, DSis50, her family and mine. A month or so ago I messaged my siblings to arrange a joint 50th gift which cost me a considerable amount of time and effort. No one mentioned it to me at all.

The reason I'm posting is because I'd like some advice about what I do next. The photos aren't attempting to hide the meal out. Of course I would see them. I'm seeing my DM on Monday to spend the first day of the school holidays together. Do I say something? What do I say to my siblings in our WhatsApp group? Anything? Nothing?

OP posts:
DrowningInSyrup · 21/07/2025 09:31

They sound awful. Mute and archive the WhatsApp group. Let them get in touch through other meams if they want to, but if I were you I'd withdraw and try not to give them a second thought. They truly sound dreadful.

MyDadWasAnArse · 21/07/2025 09:45

Growuppeople · 21/07/2025 02:13

This isn’t real Stop wasting your time

Do you mean you think it's a made up story? Report it if you think this.

vickylou78 · 21/07/2025 09:51

At this stage I think you've nothing to lose in just out right asking Sis50 why you and your family weren't invited and be honest and say you were hurt by it. See what they say.

MyDadWasAnArse · 21/07/2025 09:54

vickylou78 · 21/07/2025 09:51

At this stage I think you've nothing to lose in just out right asking Sis50 why you and your family weren't invited and be honest and say you were hurt by it. See what they say.

If she says she's hurt, they'll get off on that. They'll also give gaslightish excuses rather than real reasons.

Fernticket · 21/07/2025 11:06

OP, watch out for the attempts to draw you back in when they realize that you are not going to play their sad little games any more. Don't be fooled, things will not change with them

50FreezeOut1 · 21/07/2025 12:24

SpinachSpinachMoreSpinach · 21/07/2025 01:59

I haven’t read the whole thread - has anyone mentioned Toxic Parents yet…

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/103999.Toxic_Parents

I actually have this book and I started reading it after the DM big birthday lunch exclusion. I had to stop because it was really upsetting but now might be the time to give it another go.

OP posts:
50FreezeOut1 · 21/07/2025 12:26

Soulfulunfurling · 21/07/2025 03:13

They will love her reaction and feed off the drama for months if not years. Silence and indifference are the only thing that will work - agreed. No reaction whatsoever is the way to go . You are not dealing with normal, reasonable people.

They will a 100% flip this to be op ruining her sister’s ‘special’ birthday, and how can op be so cruel
as to ruin it for her. You will see a perfect, classic example of DAVRO in this scenario. Do not hand this to them. Absolute silence, and do not engage is far more powerful.

Edited

That is a REALLY good point about me ruining her big birthday if I say anything. Thank you so much! You are exactly right.

OP posts:
knackredd · 21/07/2025 12:47

rainingsnoring · 21/07/2025 09:23

Absolutely no point in doing this in a narc type family as they will turn the whole thing back on her. Much better to concentrate on your own life and be happy with those that do love you. Fortunately, it sounds as if the OP has plenty of people who respect and admire her for who she is.

100% agree with you. This is what they want - they are not a rational family - they are an enmeshed system fuelled by negative energy targeted at you. Dont give them any pleasure and satisfaction of the reaction they crave - dont hand them the bullets to shoot you with. Grey rock, info diet, fade .... calm and collected. Be boring to them. Be indifferent and fill your emotional life up elsewhere with good friends. Dont let them rope you back in once they notice you slipping away - thats only a trap so they can get you back into punching distance so that they get to land their blows again in the ugly sport they all love.

BubblyBath178 · 21/07/2025 12:51

What a load of fuckers.

Thelnebriati · 21/07/2025 12:51

There is one thing to remember about being the family scapegoat and just quietly walking away - they need you, that's why they try to hoover you back. Its really important you don't get suckered back in; remind yourself its not you they need, its a scapegoat. The drama they thrive on can't happen without one.

FlappingMadly · 21/07/2025 13:34

I disagree. You cannot diagnose from this. Op must talk to her siblings and detail how hurt she is, for her own sake.

thepariscrimefiles · 21/07/2025 13:41

FlappingMadly · 21/07/2025 13:34

I disagree. You cannot diagnose from this. Op must talk to her siblings and detail how hurt she is, for her own sake.

They will close ranks, turn it back on OP and make her the bad guy and the troublemaker. It's pointless as they won't admit that they have deliberately excluded her and their annoyance at being called out for their behaviour will increase their animosity towards OP.

Dignified silence from OP will be much more effective. She will maintain relationships with the nice members of her extended family.

WhereYouLeftIt · 21/07/2025 13:54

50FreezeOut1 · 20/07/2025 22:24

Something I have considered from the feedback on this thread is therapy. I do know (and tell my DC!) you can't change other people or make them do what you want. You can only control how you feel and how you react. My work offers access to therapy and it doesn't have to be work related. I just want to come to terms with being the black sheep/scapegoat, get over it and be happy.

The thing to remember about being the scapegoat is - you didn't do anything. Scapegoathood is not earned, it is assigned randomly by a narcissist. There is nothing about you - absolutely NOTHING - that makes you 'deserve' to be the family scapegoat. You might not believe this, but that's a lifetime of being trained as the family scapegoat talking, not reality.

Your family know it, even if you don't. Each and every one of your siblings will have an unacknowledged thought whispering to them - 'it could have been you, and if it weren't for her, it still could be'. They know without knowing that your narcissistic mother requires a scapegoat, and if you were to no longer fulfil that role, she WILL assign the role to one of them. So I would seriously think about stepping back from your family and setting that particular cat amongst the pigeonsGrin.

Worth bearing in mind also, is your father's role - the Enabler. He failed you. As a father he should have protected you, and he didn't. Whilst you sound to me to be able to forgive, I do hope you do not forget that betrayal.

Astrak · 21/07/2025 14:02

I agree about maintaining a dignified silence. I have/?had a truly elder toxic sister, who was absolutely vile to me. She was jealous of my academic success and anything else that she thought that I was better at than she was. She married a man who tried to sexually abuse me and refused to believe that he had done so. I alerted her to what I thought was his inappropriate behaviour with their daughter. She ignored me. I haven't heard from her for thirty-five years and she is probably dead. Our mother tried to paper over the cracks, saying "Oh - she didn't really mean it . . ." She did.

blueskies23 · 21/07/2025 14:18

Might they be fed up that you are more personable than them and would take some of the attention from them?

IToldYouSoSee · 21/07/2025 14:20

I could be writing this. Always the black sheep, never good enough despite being the achiever (DB not academic and in a low level job - written to show you once you’re the black sheep, it doesn’t matter what you’re doing, it will be wrong!).

I do live a long way from them, I used to visit but they made us so unwelcome and I don’t hear from DB one month to the next. DM used to send me links on ‘stop the boats’ and similar racist drivel via Facebook. I’m even more excluded now I don’t join in the race hatred openly.

Forget them, OP, they’re twats. It will never change. Like you, our kids are very low on the list which is sad, but just focus on your own lovely family

LushLemonTart · 21/07/2025 14:24

Yes you've been chosen as the narc scapegoat.

Keep away. You're better than them.

MrsKeats · 21/07/2025 14:46

gamerchick · 19/07/2025 22:46

It's on all of them tbh. Your mother included.

I would be cancelling seeing her Monday and telling her that you'll be processing being excluded by all of them for a bit.

Me too. Course the mum is involved. Why did she not say where is op? Stand up for you?

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 21/07/2025 15:37

MrsKeats · 21/07/2025 14:46

Me too. Course the mum is involved. Why did she not say where is op? Stand up for you?

Because she initially did the excluding of the OP from her own big birthday celebration, as the OP said in one of her earlier posts:

But for my DM's big birthday 3 years ago I was excluded from her actual birthday lunch. She did have a party organised for the next day and I was invited to and did go to that. But at that party my siblings were talking about the lunch they'd had for her actual birthday. I was flabbergasted because I'd suggested me leaving early from work and us all going out for lunch.

Stormroses · 21/07/2025 15:55

Desdemonadryeyes · 20/07/2025 20:01

From your update, could it be they think you can’t afford the place they were eating?

That would make them monstrous, in my opinion. If they can afford it, they can afford to chip in a few pounds each to sub OP so she can join them.

OP, it is tough to be ousted by family. But it can free you up and toughen you up. You don't have to pretend, accommodate them, please them etc any longer. Maybe chat with your aunt who clearly has some sympathy and insight - get a clearer picture from her, for your own peace of mind. But then stop trying. It is heartbreaking to keep wanting family to love you in a way they never will. It is hard but ultimately happier to recognise this and put your affection and energy elsewhere.

Perhaps they feel guilty when you are around, as if you judge them for their material greed by having chosen a more vocational path. You wouldn't have to behave holier than thou for them to feel this. Just the act of taking a different path could make them feel their values are being exposed.

Stormroses · 21/07/2025 16:05

50FreezeOut1 · 21/07/2025 12:24

I actually have this book and I started reading it after the DM big birthday lunch exclusion. I had to stop because it was really upsetting but now might be the time to give it another go.

Also, if you haven't yet, do join the Stately Homes thread on here. Honestly, that saved my sanity a decade or so ago. I very timidly asked if things my dad had done and my mum had said to me were normal.

The flood of replies full of loving kindness and perception and support I got after posting overwhelmed me. It helped me see clearly. People were SO supportive and had such resourceful, practical advice, not just sympathy. I didn't spend long on there as I chose to act on the advice, step away from family and didn't want to keep digging into old wounds. But the advice i got radically changed my relationship with my parents. I came off antidepressants for the first time in my adult life and never went back on. My depression vanished almost overnight when I stopped trying to please my parents and hoping they'd treat me with love.

Thelnebriati · 21/07/2025 16:05

Recognising the toxic dynamic of narcissistic abuse is not making a diagnosis, and refusing to play the role of scapegoat is an act of self defence. Being assertive in these situations is pointless. You can only be assertive when all parties are being assertive.

Stormroses · 21/07/2025 16:13

50FreezeOut1 · 20/07/2025 21:25

My DF goes along with things for a quiet life, hence managing to stay married to my narc DM. But I think I will ask him this week for his take on things. He is usually the voice of reason of anyone bothers to ask him.

I'm seeing my DA in a couple of weeks so would rather do it face to face. She wasn't there but I know she was on holiday with her kids and grandkids.

Watch out though, because the enabler actually gets a kick out of their role as the 'nice, calm, tolerant' one but will always side with the narcissist. Don't raise expectations that he will be fully supportive.

JustSawJohnny · 21/07/2025 16:15

I was firmly on team tell-them-all-to-feck-right-off, because that's what I'd do, but after reading your updates I agree that it wouldn't help at all.

It does seem like you're the scapegoat and anything negative you say will be spun to make you the problem.

It's great that your employer offers therapy. I'd be grabbing that with both hands.

As far as DM and siblings go, I'd be going very low contact. It sounds like your kids are now realising they are second best, too. Save them that pain, OP. They do not have to be around your family if it's not in their best interests.

You sound lovely, but honestly, in every awful tale we hear like this, the scapegoat is always the nice one!

TroysMammy · 21/07/2025 16:17

As you are the youngest that means you will have a big birthday at some point. If I was you I wouldn't factor in your siblings and Mother into any plans as it would probably ruin your birthday. Just plan around your husband, children and true friends, that way you won't be disappointed. If your siblings say anything just reply sister's 50th.