Trans hate (I don't) and the same old, same old

[RetiringRita]

Well I've been on a few threads this weekend and the one that's been hijacked yet again was the question of trans hate on mumsnet.
The OP asked for opinions on whether that was a fair statement yet within minutes the question was ignored and the same FWR posters were out in force. They didn't want to answer the question so targeted their posts to state their agenda.

Sex as defined by The Surpreme Court ruling
TW perverts in women's prisons
TW perverts in female loos
Men in dresses
FTM having ASD or mental illness.

It appears those of us who sit on the fence are not entitled to be there. Those who cannot be bullied get shouted down.

I have been called the following :

Hand Maiden
Trans Ally
Not part of the sisterhood
Delusional
Captured
Shameful
Mentally ill
A liar (frequently)
A man

None apply to me.

Am I being unreasonable to ask for some understanding and compassion for trans people who don't fit the stereotypes listed?

so you’re ok with a man claiming to be a woman but you draw the line at him claiming a different age? Why? Both sex and age cannot be changed.

Anorexics see themselves as being fat. Should we all accept that and encourage them to lose weight?

OK so define what trans is?
and when you use the word gender you will need to define that as well.

And again the experience of a trans woman is the experience of a trans woman not a woman.

I share arms and legs and a head a brain and plenty of other parts with trans women
Yes you do, these are things that make us all human

We share a xx Kareotype and a vagina, so what?
This is what makes you a female human, ie, a woman

See how it works? The rest is personality.

But being hungry is a subjective internal sensation. Being male or female is a scientifically demonstrable fact.

The two things are different.

I think we've all forgotten that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't arrive at with reason.

It’s not less weird, obviously. They’re both absurd.

Exactly how do you know that you are a biological woman?

Indeed.

profound psychological distress

Oh so it is a mental delusion then. And not reality. Finally!

In Canada we also saw a teacher claiming to be a woman with hugely over sized cartoon like breasts.

A transwomen only has experience of being male. So their experiences are all male experiences.

Saying “I think we are in the most part focusing far too much attention in the wrong direction” had the intention of pointing out that men who identify as men are more dangerous than those who identify as women. That is a statistical fact. It wasn’t meant to shame anyone. It was meant in the sense of someone who might tell a friend who’s trying to lose weight that whilst their exercise regime is admirable, it’s pointless when they’re eating 8000 calories a day. For instance. That’s a terrible example but you get my drift. Again, if you felt shamed that was not my intention. I’m sorry.
What some feminist have fought for is entirely their right. There are other feminists with an opposing view.

So tell us how it does work.

But what they "know" they are is not the same thing as the thing I know I am.

I know I am an adult female human.

They know they are an adult male human with a gender identity which they choose to believe makes them more like a female person than a male person.

How is it a statistical fact?

In the prison population, men who identify as women are more than four times more likely to have been convicted of a sexual offence than men who identify as men.

But they are not claiming something that is either objectively true or false.

That's exactly what they're doing, though.

Someone's sex is always objectively true.

Claiming you've turned into the other sex is always objectively false.

Why do people keep asking “how”? The “how” and “why” can’t always be answered. Maybe someday we will have those answers.

How are some people autistic? How are some people gay? How does the sun rise in the east? How does time always move forward and never backward? I can’t answer these things, I just know them to be true.

How to some people end up knowing/ understanding themselves to be women/ female, despite not having the right chromosomes or genitals, or social rearing? We don’t exactly know: there’s likely a role for a complex variety of genetic and hormonal factors - most likely a role for sex hormone signalling aspects of neurodevelopment. Perhaps an element that is social too. We don’t have all those answers. What we do know for sure is that some people observed male at birth developed the awareness/ understanding/ knowledge of self as female, and that this feeling is so visceral and powerful that repressing/ denying/ contradicting it results in profound psychological distress.

If men who thought they were women knew they were women, why so upset at the supreme court clarification? The only people upset would those that know they are men.

You’re not listening:

Those are lazy views. Surely discourse is about understanding other people perspectives…not changing their mind. There is reason on both sides

Oh Tandora.
You're really twisting yourself into knots here, trying to prove your illogical theory.

That’s all trans people is it? There no other reason someone would decide to be trans?

It’s painful to watch.

Everyone should have compassion for the mentally unwell, it’s just that we need to have respect for women’s boundaries