Trans hate (I don't) and the same old, same old

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Well I've been on a few threads this weekend and the one that's been hijacked yet again was the question of trans hate on mumsnet.
The OP asked for opinions on whether that was a fair statement yet within minutes the question was ignored and the same FWR posters were out in force. They didn't want to answer the question so targeted their posts to state their agenda.

Sex as defined by The Surpreme Court ruling
TW perverts in women's prisons
TW perverts in female loos
Men in dresses
FTM having ASD or mental illness.

It appears those of us who sit on the fence are not entitled to be there. Those who cannot be bullied get shouted down.

I have been called the following :

Hand Maiden
Trans Ally
Not part of the sisterhood
Delusional
Captured
Shameful
Mentally ill
A liar (frequently)
A man

None apply to me.

Am I being unreasonable to ask for some understanding and compassion for trans people who don't fit the stereotypes listed?

Only one of these things is true though.

If you are a biological woman then you do.

Your body has developed on a pathway to produce small gametes. As has mine.

That is all. That is the definition.

What, you actually believe that KeatingFive is going to pop round yours for a wee or do you think she might be (figuratively) taking the piss?

Please define what a woman is.

I know I am a woman because I am an adult female human.

I also know that they are adult male humans.

So what we have in common is being adult and human. Which is also something we have in common with men.

They have an extra thing in common with men, which is that they are male. Which makes them men.

The great thing about using objective criteria to define women and men is that we don't need to concern ourselves with other people's subjective perception of themselves.

I didn’t think taking photos of people in the toilets was allowed.
Isn't a transwoman being sued for filming in Disneyland female toilets recently?

Yeah I mean I’m not advocating for shared cubicles here. Just toilets, yknow. I’m yet to come across a toilet without a door but maybe I’m posher than I know. I’d prob have urinal-only rooms cos those things reeeek

They are mistaken.

Just as I could 'know' I was an 80 year old, a Japanese person, blind, a hamster. But objective, scientific criteria would prove me wrong.

😂

I know I'm a woman on account of being
A. Human.
B. Female
C. Adult

A TW cannot claim all of those. They might feel what they think is "woman" but they don't actually know how it feels to be a woman.

@Tangfastic71 Would you be prepared to tell us the number of trans women that need to be harmed or commit suicide before you respect their desire not to be classified as a man?

It's not the desire to be classified separately from other males that's the problem. There could be separate "mens" and "transwomens" facilities so long as that didn't reduce the availability of single-sex women's facilities. It's the desire to be classified as a woman that cannot be accommodated. If someone is so mentally unwell that they are in danger of committing suicide then obviously they need support, help and treatment right away. But the remedy for their distress cannot be to force other human beings to share their fantasy. No one gets to control another person's beliefs or consent. Instead they need support to live in the world as it is, help to accept that they are male and nothing will change that but they have full liberty and freedom to reject all the sexist stereotypes of what men are culturally expected to be.

Too often, instead they expect women to bow down and submit to their desires, and expect to be allowed to overrule any woman's wish not to consent to those desires, which is a trait we see a lot of from males generally.

I'm pretty sure your toilet at home is a fully enclosed room, not a cubicle with gaps above and below the door.

Which means that even if it were in a public space, it would be suitable for classification as a unisex toilet.

Have you met many trans women…because I’m starting to think that maybe all the ones I’ve met must be unique! I will concede that you can often tell a trans woman from a cis woman but definitely all the ones I’ve met look, act and behave more like me and my girl friends than my male friends.
If they had more in common with men, why would they bother to transition in the first place. I think you can probably objectively see that most trans women would say they had more in common with women. Do you feel like a man or a woman?

We share a xx Kareotype and a vagina, so what? I share arms and legs and a head a brain and plenty of other parts with trans women. Why is having a vagina the relevant part? Why does sharing a vagina give us so much in common that all our experiences and feelings and what not derive from that? It doesn’t.

I’m yet to come across a toilet without a door

Don't go to Japan then.

Lilly Tino whose grift normally appears to consist of accusing low paid restaurant staff of misgendering him (and so receiving free stuff in apologies) but who has recently been taking trophy photos in female public toilets all around Disney World.

A shared vagina? Blimey. I've got one all to myself. Such privilege

Why is having a vagina the relevant part?

Erm - that's the very bit that men don't have.
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You appear to be ‘thought policing’ again.

A better analogy would be me saying I don’t believe in Sikh god Waheguru.

You have a belief that ‘gender identity’ is a thing. The majority of others don’t.

If the person you are taking the photo of is breaking the law then it's allowed.

Tino, who you are referring to not only ignored Florida state law by being male & using female spaces specifically toilets he also took photos of other female adults & children using that toilet.

It is what makes us female. Nobody suggested all of our feelings and experiences derived from that, but there are situations in which it is relevant, and distinguishing between people based on their sex makes sense.

I can't think of a single thing I have in common with trans women. Women plus men who believe they identify as women is not a category that makes any sense.

Not plopping, I'm off to bed.
Will return in the morning.
Stats haven't changed

you know you’re a woman. Because of x y z. So what?

They know they are women. You cant understand how they could or why they would know that. So what? You don’t need to understand it: it just is.

Some people are different to you. Sometimes we don’t understand why and we can’t explain it. That’s life.

And yet transwomen can't define what they are identifying as either, yet they are very vocal about it.

You share the xx kareotype and the vagina with women.

You share arms, legs and a brain with other humans (including men, which includes 'transwomen') and some other mammals.

That's not very difficult to understand now is it?