You are the one saying you are a prison visitor.
Advocating that its "OK" to have males in womens prisons
Ignoring the impact that has on the women and society as a whole.
That the males are not held in solitary confinement.
Ignoring the fact that the women are used to provide companionship to these males.
And that males have used this access provided by the State to sex offend against female inmates.
That is a 100% preventable crime only possible by the prison policy of mixed sex units.
So here is my opinion having the State take control of your person and removing you from society and confine you with strangers and has the ability to extend your detention if you dont comply with the prison policy means that the State has a direct obligation to protect your rights.
So either you think that the State fails to protect the rights of the women involved by allowing males in.
Or you believe that the State has lived up to its obligation.
And that the women exposed to the extra risk who refuse to pretend that a man is woman deserve punishment or sacking.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5372596-aibu-to-think-that-mners-are-excessively-hateful-towards-trans-people?page=36&reply=145675145
Elephantiner · Today 03:06
79% of women in prison have suffered sexual abuse and/or domestic violence. In these circumstances do ‘trans allies’ really think that the rights of transwomen to be housed in female prisons over ruled women’s rights to be housed in a place where they can feel safe from men? Because that’s a pretty vile way to treat a fellow human.
RetiringRita · Today 06:02
As an ex prison visitor I can tell you TW are housed in single cells (England )
TheKeatingFive · Today 06:49
And presumably still sharing communal areas and things like showering facilities.
In Limerick prison, female prisoners reported hearing 'Barbie Khardashian' roar sexual abuse at them from his cell. So even that doesn't spare the women prisoners.
Then there are the female guards and other staff who have to look after them. Khadashian threatened to rape and kill his prison officer (as well as another inmate).
RetiringRita · Today 07:15
Single sex cells have their own bathrooms.
Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 08:21
If you’re using “bathroom” as a twee word for toilet then maybe, if you’re using it for shower, you’re wrong. There have been recent cases in several countries including the UK where women had to shower together with men.
Can you please to quote where you said that males should not be housed in womens prisons??
And what were the questions Wordsmithery asked on the thread you failed to quote?
I [Wordsmithery] emphasise, this is not about toilets/safe spaces etc.
It never is about the important issues is it.
"Awkward" it the word which springs to mind when defending the Idea that a girl or a woman can have no right to say no.
No men no boys of any type in what should be single sex spaces or activities.
No to being told he is more important than you
No to being told comply to the wants of this boy or man that he needs what you need more so maybe next time.
Awkard to justify why some males should be placed in prisons designed to house women.
It's about Will's right to identify as Jill, or vice versa.
Why does it really matter so much to us - are we scared of people being different?
Funny how the men say they need access to female spaces because they are afraid of mens spaces.
I [Wordsmithery] accept that there are huge areas to be addressed when it comes to trans/non-trans rights:
Wordsmithery could not even recognise that women and men have differrent rights due to the State recognising that humans come in 1 of 2 sex. And that the UK courts recognise that women is a word used to group female persons.
So we [said Wordsmithery] should ignore
• toilets and
• changing rooms,
• sporting events,
• prison accommodation,
• to name but a few.
And funny how some words are important
• woman not a Body Part
• woman not a Bleeder
• woman not a Breeder or Birther
Just small stuff which is about recognising rights.
Government has a lot of work to do, listening to people's genuine concerns and drafting laws that protect everyone.
Genuine is such a nice word.
So we [said Wordsmithery] should ignore
• toilets and
• changing rooms,
• sporting events,
• prison accommodation,
• to name but a few.
And of course biological men masquerading as trans to prey on women are scum.
And the same old trope that society should pretend that "trans" is some magical thing which makes a man something different.
However, reading some of the many MN threads on trans people, it feels like there is a terrifying level of vitriol at the right of trans people to even exist.
Funny how Wordsmithery fails to provide the vitriol. No signs calling for death by hanging or burning
Are MNers failing to speak out because they're terrified of being shot down in flames?
Annnnd the violent imagery of war.
Funny how the women who speak out against the are showing a "terrifying level of vitriol at the right of trans people to even exist."
How is it hurting any of us if someone chooses to identify as their non-birth gender (beyond the caveats in my first paragraph)?
So we [said Wordsmithery] should ignore
• toilets and
• changing rooms,
• sporting events,
• prison accommodation,
• to name but a few.
What is the opinion of MNers with children or siblings or best friends who announce they are trans ?
Who would be supprised to discover their opinions will be as diverse as the rest of the posters on MN?
Asking because I'm alarmed by the lack of trans allies (or even trans tolerators) on this forum.
And here it is again war and need to pick the right side
And I'm even more alarmed that there may be a reassuring number of trans allies on here but we never hear from them because they know what response they'll get.
Bad bad women who say no and explain why no means no.
No hate please. We seem to have enough of that already.
Bad bad bad bad women who say no and explain why no means no.