AIBU to think that MNers are excessively hateful towards trans people?

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I accept that there are huge areas to be addressed when it comes to trans/non-trans rights: toilets and changing rooms, sporting events, prison accommodation, to name but a few. Government has a lot of work to do, listening to people's genuine concerns and drafting laws that protect everyone. And of course biological men masquerading as trans to prey on women are scum.
However, reading some of the many MN threads on trans people, it feels like there is a terrifying level of vitriol at the right of trans people to even exist. I emphasise, this is not about toilets/safe spaces etc. It's about Will's right to identify as Jill, or vice versa. Why does it really matter so much to us - are we scared of people being different? Are MNers failing to speak out because they're terrified of being shot down in flames? How is it hurting any of us if someone chooses to identify as their non-birth gender (beyond the caveats in my first paragraph)? What is the opinion of MNers with children or siblings or best friends who announce they are trans ?
Asking because I'm alarmed by the lack of trans allies (or even trans tolerators) on this forum. And I'm even more alarmed that there may be a reassuring number of trans allies on here but we never hear from them because they know what response they'll get.
No hate please. We seem to have enough of that already.

We're all getting more than a bit pissed off that saying 'men can't become women and they should stay out of our single sex spaces' makes us 'vile'.

Your position is deeply misogynist and focused on trying to silence women standing up for their own rights and boundaries.

There does seem to be a lot of trans related posts, many of which are negative, and it is completely disproportionate to the impact the trans community has on the general public. I think it's a great shame. That said, I find the plethora of posts with opinions different to mine eye-opening. It makes me realise what a bubble I live in as a London based teacher (heinous, woke leftie in MN language; fair, aware and well-informed in my own environment).

That comment is talking about a movement, and the activists within it. That doesn't mean individuals, and it doesn't mean trans people.

As has been said many times, nobody cares how somebody chooses to dress.

That's not the issue. The issue is the radicals who have created a situation where women have been terrorised, abused, and sacked for asking questions about women's rights.

Thankfully, after years of being vilified and slandered and attacked the Supreme Court has confirmed that women were right all along. The Cass Report has confirmed much the same with regards to children who are gender questioning.

We've not changed what we've been saying. Five or ten years ago we'd have been sacked or banned or cancelled for saying it.

Just that now the government and law has confirmed that we are right.

I don't agree. If you aren't an activist you don't have to speak up.

I am white British. People don't assume I agree with Tommy Robinson unless and until I speak out against him. You can infer that I don't agree with Tommy Robinson because I am not out there marching with him.

My neighbours are Muslim. We don't assume they are religious radicals unless they go around telling everyone they are not.

Every time I post on here that a common issue on trans posts on Mumsnet is a conflation of the radical with the majority, someone like clockwork comes along and says "ordinary trans people need to call it out then". No, they really don't. They are allowed to live peacefully with a baseline presumption of good character like everyone else who is a member of a group which has a radical fringe. If you believe otherwise then you are in fact transphobic.

There’s a sliding scale of acceptance, isn’t there.
It starts with acceptance of men walking around dressed in women’s clothes because #bekind.
And then they want to be in ladies changing rooms to try on dresses.

Very quickly we have:

Rapists deciding to identify as trans to gain access to women’s prisons in order to terrorise women further
Paedophiles and perverts putting on a dress to access women’s loos in order to get off on being around women and girls at a private/ vulnerable moment (and - importantly- away from other men, who could defend/ protect them)
Men competing in women’s sports and winning everything, depriving women who’ve worked really hard of their places
Companies who have been aiming for 50:50 men to women in the board ending up with 50% men and 50% men in dresses. No actual women.
The point is that in order to defend and advance women’s rights, we need to be clear that by ‘women’ we mean women. Not men.
Etc etc.

The bottom line is that the rights that we take for granted were hard-won by the feminists who came before us - of the 60s, 70s and 80s - and are being eroded again. This is a critical time for feminism and we need to be vigilant.

Women have been subjected by men for all eternity. We must not let this nonsense erode our rights abs safe spaces. And it truly IS nonsense - NO-ONE is born in the wrong body. ‘Trans’ is a mental health issue, like a 4 stone anorexic believes she is fat. Nonsense.

A spectrum of what? Brains? Souls?

No one on here 'hates' 'trans' people. We hate MEN. MALES in our spaces. But femphobes are too closed minded to see feminists perspective because being their knees for men is too important to them. They don't stop and see many of us are rape survivors who simply want to retain our SINGLE SEX spaces. Defending womens hard won rights is not 'hate' unless you're a Male Supremacist.

You have literally listed in your OP, why there is so much push back.

You said : I accept that there are huge areas to be addressed when it comes to trans/non-trans rights: toilets and changing rooms, sporting events, prison accommodation, to name but a few. Government has a lot of work to do, listening to people's genuine concerns and drafting laws that protect everyone. And of course biological men masquerading as trans to prey on women are scum.

You already answered your own question!

@JLou08
The TRAs are too closed minded to take on anyone else's perspective and will pile on anyone who dares defend a GC person. MN is by far the worst place for it that I have come across.

I do wonder if some people just post things to follow the crowd on here and know that posting a thread that berates the GC community will get plenty of comments agreeing with them and making them feel validated in some way. I read some of the threads and think they are surely made up.

The only bullying that takes place, is when biological women are targeted for daring to have an opinion. The only time women are remotely interested in TRA, is when it forces itself on women's spaces. Thank goodness, that shit has been given short shrift. This is the thing with some minority groups, they want to push boundaries, which manifests itself as entitlement.

I really hope this is at least slightly tongue in cheek

I haven’t seen any hateful comments. What I have seen is women defending the right for female only spaces to remain so and women’s sports ti be for biologically.born women only. I fully agree with both.

That is completely incorrect.

As the GC mother of a trans-identifying girl I have had little useful support and a lot of comments telling her to pull herself together and “no child of mine would ever be trans as I’ve brought them up right”

It’s because this is MUMSnet.
‘Mums’.
Sounds like a platform for women, doesn’t it (although, of course, there are men who insert themselves here too)
And women are concerned with women’s rights and safety.

Show me anything the women on here have said that is as bad as anything on https://terfisaslur.com/

What all of it? How surprising.

Clear, concise, undeniable. This says it all. No hate, no oppression. Anyone out there having trouble understanding this?

Not anti-trans at all but pro-women's rights and boundaries, women's single sex spaces, women's sport, women's associations, women's prizes etc. Biology matters and if the trans community respected all of this there would be few issues. The debate on MN is sometimes robust but it is necessary to stand up to TRA and say NO!

Yes acknowledged but little real debate on why. And they’re often portrayed as blue-haired attention seekers.

Look harder then.

Bless them. Women do seem to be at the centre of their universe. It's a shame they can't just piss off and live their lives, instead of needing the attention - funnily enough, from women.

Womens rights is not 'transphobic', you're being femphobic and misogynistic. Evidence shows in poll after poll after poll that the overwhelming majority of the public believe in the retention of female sex-based rights and spaces. You are in an ever-decreasing fringe minority that are losing the war and were fooled into believing the lies of a patriarchal movement.

The voting sadly proves your point, OP, imho. I was recently called a TRA for expressing sentiments towards trans people that weren't outright hate. It's a joke that some MNers claim there's no transphobia on MN. An absolute joke.

I am not trans myself. I understand the concerns about women's spaces, but I feel very sorry for trans people nowadays who just want to live in a way that feels right for them and have no wish for it to impact others. I predict those words are going to get twisted like a pretzel by the usual suspects but I'm not going to be drawn into debate on this, I simply wanted to respond saying I agree.

I've met many, over the years. From way back when they were 'transexuals' on the gay scene. The cross dresser masturbating in the ladies loo. Perfectly nice transmen. Recently more 'gender creative', and often vulnerable, young people. And another two of the cross dressers who wear fetish gear in public and are now 'trans women'.

'Trans people' covers a lot of very different people. I expect very few people have not met trans people.