AIBU to think that MNers are excessively hateful towards trans people?

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I accept that there are huge areas to be addressed when it comes to trans/non-trans rights: toilets and changing rooms, sporting events, prison accommodation, to name but a few. Government has a lot of work to do, listening to people's genuine concerns and drafting laws that protect everyone. And of course biological men masquerading as trans to prey on women are scum.
However, reading some of the many MN threads on trans people, it feels like there is a terrifying level of vitriol at the right of trans people to even exist. I emphasise, this is not about toilets/safe spaces etc. It's about Will's right to identify as Jill, or vice versa. Why does it really matter so much to us - are we scared of people being different? Are MNers failing to speak out because they're terrified of being shot down in flames? How is it hurting any of us if someone chooses to identify as their non-birth gender (beyond the caveats in my first paragraph)? What is the opinion of MNers with children or siblings or best friends who announce they are trans ?
Asking because I'm alarmed by the lack of trans allies (or even trans tolerators) on this forum. And I'm even more alarmed that there may be a reassuring number of trans allies on here but we never hear from them because they know what response they'll get.
No hate please. We seem to have enough of that already.

It makes me very sad you don't consider my views as a woman, but you will consider your male friends preferences to be in female spaces.

Are you doing the whole acceptance without exception thing here?

Biology isn’t rhetoric.

What would compassionate empathetic debate look like in your eyes?

I just want my rights to single sex spaces and services to be protected and respected. You surely don’t believe that transwomen are the same sex as women?

The potential loss of my sex based rights names me very sad

The problem is the within the law. The biggest part of living the way they wish isn't within the law as they wish to use female single sex spaces which is outwith civil law

If you say so. But 1531 people so far have voted in a poll and most don’t agree with you 🤷‍♀️

I'm a physician in another country in Europe. I think it's well known in the EU how transphobic the UK is in general.

People like JK Rowling who 1) isn't trans and 2) isn't a doctor think they have the right to speak on these matters.

The constant comment I see is that it's threatening to womanhood to have trans women 😂 just laughable. My womanhood had nothing to do with anyone else let alone trans people .

The bathroom comments too! If anyone was to assault someone, they'll do it. They don't need a bathroom to.

People fear what they do not understand.

Ah here will you stop. Trans people aren't threatening your rights as a woman 😂

If only it was just saying ‘no’ to men in women’s spaces.

If a transwoman insists on accessing a female single sex space then that space is no longer single sex. I lose my right to access a single sex space.

You're not being unreasonable OP, there's a definite shift in genuine vitriol, disgust and hatred towards trans people that's been getting steadily worse on this website. A lot of it is a retread of homophobic rhetoric from a decade or so ago. Be prepared to be told that you're a misogynist or allying with 'abusers and perverts' for this, though.

If only men would listen.

Sorry to tell you that this is ‘Mumsnet’. There are some men here, but not many. Best to go to Reddit after all.

Yes I think Reddit would definitely suit you more that MN.

I’ve never seen the comment on here “it’s threatening to womanhood”.

a lot of people are glad JK Rowling is speaking up for woman’s hard earned rights.

The bathroom comments too! If anyone was to assault someone, they'll do it. They don't need a bathroom to.

If someone wants to steal a car they’ll do it
If someone wants to break into your house they’ll do it

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Why are women not allowed to have boundaries? Do we allow all men to access our spaces or just the self selecting group with trans identities?

Oh look another self professed 'trans ally'. As I said earlier, where are the women allies?

It makes me really sad that women and girls are being forced to accept men in their intimate spaces, because people don't think they should have the right to set their own boundaries.

But you do you.

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Gender ID is a belief system.

I don't have to agree with another's belief system. Particularly when it is so obviously fake.

It is not hurtful to want to preserve the single sex spaces women have fought for.

It was you that brought up Reddit in this context, so I assume you know.

???

what are you assuming?

What is the opinion of MNers with children or siblings or best friends who announce they are trans?

It’s very much to do with the concern for these children that people here have the views that they do. It’s really worrying that children that feel this way have often in the past been shepherded down an irreversible treatment pathway. Of course they should be treated with compassion.

79% of women in prison have suffered sexual abuse and/or domestic violence. In these circumstances do ‘trans allies’ really think that the rights of transwomen to be housed in female prisons over ruled women’s rights to be housed in a place where they can feel safe from men? Because that’s a pretty vile way to treat a fellow human.

Asking because I'm alarmed by the lack of trans allies (or even trans tolerators) on this forum. And I'm even more alarmed that there may be a reassuring number of trans allies on here but we never hear from them because they know what response they'll get.

FWIW many of us here are incredibly cautious about talking about any type of gender critical concerns in real life. We’ve seen the people that have lost their jobs, livelihoods and friendships and have been judged incredibly harshly. The women that stick their head above the parapet are often threatened with violence or court cases, and on and on. Presumably you must be aware of that?

I'd add,you cannot debate the rights of transwomen without discussing the rights of women because the rights of transwomen always seem to impinge on biological women.

Yanbu..and I want female only spaces, hate chest feeding etc.