AIBU to think that MNers are excessively hateful towards trans people?

[Wordsmithery]

I accept that there are huge areas to be addressed when it comes to trans/non-trans rights: toilets and changing rooms, sporting events, prison accommodation, to name but a few. Government has a lot of work to do, listening to people's genuine concerns and drafting laws that protect everyone. And of course biological men masquerading as trans to prey on women are scum.
However, reading some of the many MN threads on trans people, it feels like there is a terrifying level of vitriol at the right of trans people to even exist. I emphasise, this is not about toilets/safe spaces etc. It's about Will's right to identify as Jill, or vice versa. Why does it really matter so much to us - are we scared of people being different? Are MNers failing to speak out because they're terrified of being shot down in flames? How is it hurting any of us if someone chooses to identify as their non-birth gender (beyond the caveats in my first paragraph)? What is the opinion of MNers with children or siblings or best friends who announce they are trans ?
Asking because I'm alarmed by the lack of trans allies (or even trans tolerators) on this forum. And I'm even more alarmed that there may be a reassuring number of trans allies on here but we never hear from them because they know what response they'll get.
No hate please. We seem to have enough of that already.

Perfectly put

Let's hope so.

Absolutely nails it.

As I saw someone on here say a long time ago, 'you can no debate all you like, the debate will continue without you'.

And it did.

I have seen a number of posts on AIBU and FWR calling all trans men (FTM) mentally ill. The mothers of these people often get berated for poor parenting.

Sure you have.

Are you also shocked at the misogyny against women who think women's sports should be for women?

Excellent post.

As a long tine poster on this subject I can confirm I have and reported them.
I had to change my username as I've been attacked for speaking out.
I've even been stalked on mumsnet.

Ah, India, so persuasive for the trans cause.

Edit: sorry, should have realised the screenshot wouldn't get quoted. But you can see it above.

It's a silly fuss about a tiny portion of the population.

Who are the population that remain unaffected in law and with regards to societal policies if "man" is redefined as "male or female adult" and "woman" is redefined as "male or female adult"?

Making all spaces mixed-sex affects everyone.

Yes it's so silly to worry about the female prisoners being sexually assaulted by men in womens prisoners.

Yes it's so silly to worry that NHS staff will lie to police for a year that a female patient can't have been raped because they're were no men on the ward

It's so silly to worry about the harm being caused to women by such a tiny minority isn't it

Gosh yes, you're absolutely right.

Women, don't forget that your rights to safety and dignity in your own spaces are such a 'silly fuss' to society at large.

So STFU ladies and let the men do what they like. There's a dear.

Funny that couldn’t have been said before they passed the GRA, and focussed on something more important.

Thank you 😊

Ah you're back

Are you going to answer any of the multiple posts addressed to you?

The vast majority of women want biological men kept out of women's sport, women only spaces and women only shortlists.

You know what?

The vast majority of trans people agree with that.

A very vociferous and aggressive and overwhelmingly male to female minority cause problems for all those people.

All people who are leading difficult lives deserve compassion. It is that compassion towards the quiet majority of trans people which is lacking in these online discussions, Mumsnet and elsewhere.

1 person who is trans identifying, has an impact potentially on thousands of women over the course of their life.

One trans identifying male who has a dubious agenda, can cause a huge amount of harm. That's the issue.

This matters.

If you look at the number of trans identifying people rather than the number of women who are impacted you are missing the point and aren't fairly representing the issues.

The entire point is we are assessing impact not counting trans identifying people.

Come on @Wordsmithery we're all waiting for some examples.

Assuming you are correct why is that quiet majority of trans people upset at all by women requiring their rights to be upheld?

Surely that has no effect on them and is not harming them?

If keeping men from invading women's single sex spaces IS drastically affecting that quiet majority then you need to explain how, and I doubt you can.

You have misread my post.

I believe the vast majority of trans people agree with women's rights being upheld.
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Transwomen (men) have said that unisex facilities are no use to them. It has to be the women's and there must be women in there.

😊

There's one word which is always missing from these discussion.

SOME