I haven’t read the full thread but when people claim MN or women or a subgroup of women hate trans people I couldn’t disagree more.
I often wonder what the apparently “non-hating of trans people” women and men of this world actually think the situation SHOULD look like.
If Will says he is Jill ..,
should medical staff be asking:
When was your first period?
Do you experience cramps with your period? Heavy bleeding? Irregular periods?
Do you have PCOS?
Have you ever considered a hysterectomy for menstrual pain or endometriosis or adenomyosis?
Have you ever conceived a child naturally?
Have you had a vaginal birth?
Ever had a c-section?
Are you in perimenopause?
Ever had cervical cancer or cervical cell changes?
Vaginal polyps?
Instead of just default asking how the patient identifies or the “could you be pregnant” question or by across the board refusing to use the term mother or breastfeeding - shall we go all inclusive on the equality and ask those sorts of questions of trans women?
Shall we advise Tubal ligation to prevent pregnancy or abstinence rather than a vasectomy? Prescribing the pill?
As for the NHS it presumably is supposed to then record that Jill has never had any of the above women’s health issues - great. You are a very lucky woman Jill.
Or - to carry on with imaginary: - have you been sexually harassed because of your sex? Oh you don’t believe in sex or biological categories. No worries there then.
So you don’t consider yourself a minority in any respect? Oh you do because you wear heels? Have you considered wearing trainers although there are many many people worldwide who do wear heels. Ah I see - it’s not appropriate to suggest that you change your footwear to prevent harassment?
Jill you should know that It’s up to women to stay safe so if you wear heels or a bra you are asking for it.
You were sexually assaulted?
I think you are looking for attention.
not that you say because you have a lot of support from the workplace and family and friends and the government and the police, more than “cis” women do, so you don’t need attention. I see, must be looking for money then Jill? You didn’t seem to mind being ogled with your Instagram pictures, did you? You and these women showing yourself off and you don’t expect men to react like they do.
Did you report it immediately to the police? (You shouldn’t fear the police as they can’t hate women or be transphobic so if you didn’t report immediately you are obviously lying).
Are you a trad wife?
Cant cook?
Do you respect your man?
Do you plan to stay at home when you have children Jill?
or.. is it meant to just go a little bit like this -
Why do you feel you are being targeted by your co-workers Joll? Because Jill is using the female spaces. Just carry on Jill I’ll tell them to not notice or mention if you do use the female toilets.
Is that it? That’s how we should deal with trans people so there is no perception of “transphobia”?
Or do we need to post support messages on every conceivable social media platform to pass as non-hating?
Really, I’d love to know HOW the non-hatred is supposed to be demonstrated.
In fact - most people don’t give a shit what anyone else does with their lives or what they chose to wear or call themselves but when the physical reality of women is trumped by the outfits some women wear or historically have worn it becomes a stupid world — why not have toilets and hospital wards and sports and prisons for people who wear trousers or T-shirts or skirts or balaclavas or flat caps or wellies when we are at it.
Who knew physical reality could be outdone with textiles.