AIBU to think that MNers are excessively hateful towards trans people?

[Wordsmithery]

I accept that there are huge areas to be addressed when it comes to trans/non-trans rights: toilets and changing rooms, sporting events, prison accommodation, to name but a few. Government has a lot of work to do, listening to people's genuine concerns and drafting laws that protect everyone. And of course biological men masquerading as trans to prey on women are scum.
However, reading some of the many MN threads on trans people, it feels like there is a terrifying level of vitriol at the right of trans people to even exist. I emphasise, this is not about toilets/safe spaces etc. It's about Will's right to identify as Jill, or vice versa. Why does it really matter so much to us - are we scared of people being different? Are MNers failing to speak out because they're terrified of being shot down in flames? How is it hurting any of us if someone chooses to identify as their non-birth gender (beyond the caveats in my first paragraph)? What is the opinion of MNers with children or siblings or best friends who announce they are trans ?
Asking because I'm alarmed by the lack of trans allies (or even trans tolerators) on this forum. And I'm even more alarmed that there may be a reassuring number of trans allies on here but we never hear from them because they know what response they'll get.
No hate please. We seem to have enough of that already.

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Citations needed

Vile, Bigot, Nazi, Terf, Far Right etc. etc.

The language manipulation doesnt work anymore, keep up. Women have heard it all before and are utterly desensitised to these now meaningless words.

Because they say so.

Of course, when everything from believing sex is binary to saying women shouldn’t have to call their rapist “her” is transphobic, then it’s probably true!

As I said it’s the decrying of the trans community as a whole and the portraying of the whole community as sex abusers that is hugely prevalent on MN and not ok. Thankfully the post I showed as an example is being deleted now. I don’t have the time to go through them all. MN only deletes reported posts and MNers can’t and should not have to do their job for them and police every thread so there is a big issue.

I have never, ever seen anyone on this forum say that all trans people are sex abusers. I have never, ever seen anyone on this forum say that trans people shouldn't exist.

Please find me some or else try harder to write accurately.

I still haven't seennanyone being vile, rather the truth being stated repeatedly that you can dress as you like but you can't change sex and you should not demand that others play along with the delusion.

I feel sorry for anyone struggling in life but counselling and honesty is a better approach than pretence and enabling.

For me it’s about the right to place material reality above subjective feelings. About freedom of speech.

I don’t understand why there’s so much criticism levelled at biological essentialism.

I also hate that all the criticism is directed at middle aged women, and young lesbians. Why isn’t everyone shouting at young heterosexual men who wouldn’t date a transwoman with a barge pole?

Because their intersectional privilege trumps ours, that’s why.

Well, that's a lot of words to lecture women to "be kind."

Women saying no isn't hateful. It's not bigoted. It's not vitriolic for women to have and assert our boundaries and want to protect the rights that women have had to fight, tooth and nail for, for centuries.

You can identify as whatever you want. You can wear what you want. You can call yourself whatever you want.

What you can't do is force other people to play along with your identity. If I choose to identify as a cat and get extreme body modifications to make myself look "like a cat" that doesn't mean everyone around me has to go along with this, and doesn't mean when I'm sick, I should be headed to a vet instead of a doctor.

"You're denying their right to exist!" Yet another lame attempt to silence women and guilt-trip into never saying no again.

I am sick to the back teeth of people coming on here and other spaces, lecturing women on "being kind" and "stop being hateful, bigoted and vitriolic" when all we've done is say no and asserted our boundaries and tried to protect our rights to single-sex spaces.

Whilst those same people will turn a blind eye to the numerous death and rape threats issued to women daily who have dared to say no or even just question gender ideology. Over the years, I've seen countless posts from TRA's who have described, in detail, their fantasies of torturing, raping and killing "TERFS."

But the real issue in this debate is that women aren't being accepting enough. Got it.

But no one does that. We say that men are overwhelming more likely to be sex offenders, and that includes transwomen. In fact, the stats show transwomen are slightly more likely than other men to be sex offenders. Is that what you mean? Because stating facts isn’t hateful.

Women are sick and tired of being threatened, doxed, our livelihoods removed, having to hear exhortations to reframe our trauma (overwhelmingly inflicted by men), having our sporting achievements taken away from us and our spaces commandeered. Women are rightly resisting this onslaught on our liberties, rights and basic human dignities.

We know not all trans people are like that. It’s very obvious that male rights activism has hitched its wagon to this particular movement, having found a legitimate reason to indulge its hatred of women. No movement can generate this amount of power and influence as quickly and as absolutely as this one has unless they possess a vast degree of social privilege (males).

That this is being done in the name of trans people I regard as very unfortunate. The people standing up and fighting it, however, have mostly been women bar a few trans women using the definition of transsexual to add a much-needed note of ‘not in my name’. For the most part there has been tumbleweed.

I don’t care how you dress, what you call yourself or how you present. In this day and age I suspect few do. But if you kick at and stampede over another demographic’s human rights - rights that have often been won at huge cost and one painful step at a time - you can’t exactly be surprised when that demographic resists very strongly and urges you to seek your own rights for your own specific circumstances.

Because trans rights and needs and women’s rights and needs are distinct. Gender is not sex, and sex is not gender. And note all the placards re trans rights. Always, always rights. No debate. Nothing whatsoever about the responsibilities that come with those rights. If this is the attitude that’s hoisted this movement by its own immovable, aggressive petard, then I hate to be the one to say it but we told you so.

Over 300 posts in and no sign of @Wordsmithery returning.

It‘s almost like she doesn’t really care that much at all and just wanted to lob in a thread grenade just for fun.

That does not speak for the trans community as a whole. The vast majority are law abiding citizens so it’s not really relevant.

Literally no one has said that but carry on with your hyperbole

So are the vast majority of men but we keep them out of women’s spaces all the same. What do you not get about that.

I don't see people saying 'all trans people are sex abusers'.

What I see is statements saying:
Men make up 98% (or whatever) of sex abusers. This is one of the (various) reasons we have single sex spaces.
Transwomen are biological men.
Therefore we don't want transwomen in female singe sex spaces.

There does also appear to be evidence that TW commit sex crimes at least at the same rate as other men.

I’m not scared of trans people. I have nothing against them, if they choose to live like that.
What I do have a problem with is people claiming to be another sex. Will can call himself Jill if he wants to, but to actually be a Jill he needs to have been born female.

What do you think about trans activists as a whole, the ones who want to burn and decapitate women according to the placards that they carry?

Well you don’t see if you ignore, excuse and don’t look. There are examples on this thread.

The vast majority of men don’t commit sexual assault, the vast majority of the trans community don’t either.

I find the whole idea of trans identities incredibly sexist. Wanting to dress as the opposite sex doesn't bother me. Trying to claim that you're a woman in a man's body does - what does a woman's brain mean?

I am a woman. The only thing that tells you about me is that I have XX chromosomes and, if healthy, can get pregnant. It doesn't tell you anything about my hobbies, my personality, or my thoughts.

I understand that some people have severe body and gender dysmorphia and I feel sorry for them, it sounds horrific. However, that doesn't mean I accept that they're actually 'born in the wrong body'.

Trans activists refuse to accept that though. They won't tolerate anything less than full confirmation that this person is actually a man or a woman despite their biology.

So the argument continues.

Quote them? Literally no one has said every trans person is a sex offender. No one at all.

The patterns are clear to see.
The rise in regressive stereotypes, the rise in children strictly adhering to them. The rise in autistic girls identifying as boys.

It’s not rocket science. The whole schtick that trans is somehow innate is so obviously wrong, evidence by the growing detrans rate (which funnily enough is artificially kept low because the trans community bully anyone detransitioning).

There is no gender ideology without gender stereotypes - prove me wrong.

I’m generally a live and let live kind of person but I am very angry about what happened to women’s sport. I don’t understand how anyone who has trained for sport or cares about sport could let this happen. I think of the women who trained hard and missed out on a spot on the team and of the women who didn’t get onto the podium or missed out on a gold medal. I am relieved the situation is starting to improve but I feel sad and disillusioned about it.

Not discussing women’s spaces but the treatment of the trans community on MN which is dreadful.

If the vast majority are law abiding they'll be staying out of women's single sex spaces will they?

ooops, I forgot Hateful and Twansphobic. That's how little power this language has now. Overused to castigage women for standing up for themselves and their children, now reduced to cliched drivel.

I note that the TRAs are trying to make Gender Critical the new Transphobic. Fine by me, I'm happy to be described as GC.