AIBU to think that MNers are excessively hateful towards trans people?

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I accept that there are huge areas to be addressed when it comes to trans/non-trans rights: toilets and changing rooms, sporting events, prison accommodation, to name but a few. Government has a lot of work to do, listening to people's genuine concerns and drafting laws that protect everyone. And of course biological men masquerading as trans to prey on women are scum.
However, reading some of the many MN threads on trans people, it feels like there is a terrifying level of vitriol at the right of trans people to even exist. I emphasise, this is not about toilets/safe spaces etc. It's about Will's right to identify as Jill, or vice versa. Why does it really matter so much to us - are we scared of people being different? Are MNers failing to speak out because they're terrified of being shot down in flames? How is it hurting any of us if someone chooses to identify as their non-birth gender (beyond the caveats in my first paragraph)? What is the opinion of MNers with children or siblings or best friends who announce they are trans ?
Asking because I'm alarmed by the lack of trans allies (or even trans tolerators) on this forum. And I'm even more alarmed that there may be a reassuring number of trans allies on here but we never hear from them because they know what response they'll get.
No hate please. We seem to have enough of that already.

Correct.

Many trans identifying people are just useful idiots of course that have been sucked into it. But the founding principles were based on the homophobia of the 50s and 60s and you only have to have a cursory look at the news to see the disproportionate number of paedophiles who have used the trans movement as useful cover, eg most recently Stephen Ireland of Surrey Pride.

Then there's the middle aged AGPs of course whose libido can no longer cope with the excessive amount of porn they've consumed so castration and pretending to be a laughable fascimilie of a woman is all that's left for them eg Martin/Katie Neeves.

People, and especially women who are affected most by this misogyny, have had enough. Nothing to do with MN in particular.

Meanwhile, the men are calling for the decapitation of TERFs and that's fine.

Yet another "If you don't see it my way you're KILLING me" post.

If you want to see Mumsnet hatred about people who shouldn't exist try being a fat person.

Don’t know if anyone’s said this yet, but MN is one of the only places online where we can discuss gender ideology from a GC point of view.
Most other places delete and remove you, so become trans echo chambers.

So it’s very likely that you’re seeing a rare but fair representation of views here, and it’s not that MN is just full of mean women who have the audacity to say no to men.

\I love trans people but I dont' want transwomen in women's sport - sadly no trans supporters can agree with this

As poll after poll after poll after poll in the UK and US show, it really really is. You are deeply, deeply delusional if you think the majority don't believe in the retention of female only spaces. You are in ever-decreasing (each year polls get worse for 'trans' 'rights') fringe extremist minority. This is a fact that is born out by professional polling companies (not things like twitter polls, but formal ones) all over the world.

We have met plenty of men. We know men commit 98% of the sexual and violent crimes. We know it's not all men but we know we do not want any men in our single sex spaces and categories. Do you understand that?

The fact that you seem comfortable using the word terf tells us all we need to know, but claiming that all the hate is from Russian trolls is quite frankly ridiculous but you know that

I agree with you, OP. The stance can be expressed without the hatred, but it’s quite apparent some posters get enjoyment out of it.

Some posters are great at separating hate from the important issues at hand, so it’s not everyone. It’s a lot though.

I only see anger from MNs on here from people who are concerned about retaining women’s spaces for women, and not wanting to share with men pretending to be women. I haven’t seen any posts just piling hate on trans just for being trans. In factmost of us would like the trans community to get the government to encourage companies to get them their own trans facilities. And whilst trans posters on MN are very much in the minority, they are very very aggressive in their posts. Nature of the beast I guess, because many are bitter and aggressive IRL. 🤷‍♀️

I don't hate them, I just hate them in my single sex spaces.

er, I think the pushback on trans ideology started on here, and elsewhere, long before the public availability of gen AI 😁

You'd probably call me anti-trans, as I don't want transwomen classed as women, or in women's spaces, or taking women's awards and prizes. I'm not anti-trans, I'm pro-women, but anyway...I'm left wing, atheist, and have never used AI in my life. I've been a feminist for over 50 years, and that means supporting WOMEN. I don't need a computer or evangelical christians to tell me what to think. And these evangelical christians are certainly not paying me, how ridiculous.

You can’t change sex. You are what you are born.

It’s hard to generalise. I for one don’t hate any group or individual. I don’t recognise your hypothesis about MNetters. Live and let live more prevalent. People whatever their characteristics can be great, awful and everything in between. The rest is white noise.
That said, the needs of all groups need considered and balanced. That’s not always easy to achieve in practice often and so possibly some of the feedback you reference is that whilst some groups seek to assert their rights, others perceive this at times to be at the detriment of their own hard fought rights which is where conflict arises. Outcomes that balance the needs of all I think would be received and accepted as being less contentious, but outcomes that impact or remove - directly or indirectly the identity of others such as women are not deemed right or fair.

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It’s perfectly possible to discuss women’s spaces without decrying a whole section of society. This thread isn’t about women’s spaces but bullies on MN who accuse all trans people of being sex abusers who shouldn’t exist.

It’s vile.

XY chromosomes have no place in XX places. There is no nuance required. The type of people who saying we are all biased by AI should becoming trans-intellectual so they can understand a simple biological fact.

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Thanks, I needed a laugh today.

I'd love to see the OP (and others) defend the actions of ERCC, an institutionally captured organisation, who failed rape survivors in their adherence to an ideology, backed fully up by the Scottish Government. I'd love to hear their reasoning as to why this isn't a problem.

www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/resources/ERCC-Review-Report-FINAL1-.pdf

I'd also love to hear why violent male sex offenders being placed in the female Scottish prison estate following policy isn't a problem. And why violent male offenders are still allowed there, following policy.

But I'm pretty sure we'll just get the 'I don't really know anything about it but I don't like it so I don't engage' fingers in ears, lah lah lah approach. Those pointing out these inconvenient truths are 'just mean'.

The usual.

Well no. We keep all men out because a small number of them are sex offenders. Why should we abandon this stance because some of those men identify as women? I don’t see anyone crying on here because we keep regular men out. Do we think they’re all abusers too? Why is one okay but not the other? Stop misrepresenting people.

Exactly. And this really should be all we need to say in response to posts like this. It’s factual, and trans people can’t really dispute this. Let them get their own spaces. I don’t care about their fetishes. Happy to co exist alongside them. But just don’t want them using women’s spaces. Simple as that really….

I’m not sure why you are so aggressive towards me? Are you saying that some posters on mumsnet do not just belittle the issue? I can easily point you to this. And support has been minimal for me.

It’s a cesspool of transphobic people unfortunately, I agree with you OP

I am ok with people who say they are trans, what I dont agree with is that the majority have to be impacted by the views and the demands rights of a minority.