AIBU to think that MNers are excessively hateful towards trans people?

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I accept that there are huge areas to be addressed when it comes to trans/non-trans rights: toilets and changing rooms, sporting events, prison accommodation, to name but a few. Government has a lot of work to do, listening to people's genuine concerns and drafting laws that protect everyone. And of course biological men masquerading as trans to prey on women are scum.
However, reading some of the many MN threads on trans people, it feels like there is a terrifying level of vitriol at the right of trans people to even exist. I emphasise, this is not about toilets/safe spaces etc. It's about Will's right to identify as Jill, or vice versa. Why does it really matter so much to us - are we scared of people being different? Are MNers failing to speak out because they're terrified of being shot down in flames? How is it hurting any of us if someone chooses to identify as their non-birth gender (beyond the caveats in my first paragraph)? What is the opinion of MNers with children or siblings or best friends who announce they are trans ?
Asking because I'm alarmed by the lack of trans allies (or even trans tolerators) on this forum. And I'm even more alarmed that there may be a reassuring number of trans allies on here but we never hear from them because they know what response they'll get.
No hate please. We seem to have enough of that already.

The group are talking about a men. What makes them so 'vulnerable'?

What’s vulnerable about men who breach women’s boundaries and remove their rights? It’s the patriarchy in action.

Mn does not speak for all no, it's a snap shot of what the majority think.

because deciding a trans woman is the same as a biological woman the most male entitled thing ever. I have no problem with trans woman, but they are not the same as a biological woman and they cannot start demanding access to our safe spaces and destroying woman's sports. they say they are not safe, well welcome to womanhood where femicide exists throughout the globe.

Biology matters

men are not a vulnerable minority no matter how they present

Transactivists have repeatedly said they don't want separate spaces for trans identifying males because

1. It will 'out' them which makes them feel unsafe
2. 'transwomen' ARE women so it's 'bigoted' to exclude them

I don't see how it's possible to support Women's/Girls Rights and also support what people are claiming for 'trans' 'rights'

I'm "gender critical", i.e. I believe sex is real and immutable. I have numerous relations and friends who feel the same. None of us are Americans. None of us are practising Christians. All of us are centrist or left-of-centre voters. It just suits you better to be able to demonise us as "right wing American-influenced evangelicals", regardless of reality.

None of us "hates" trans people or wants to "deny their right to exist"; we just resent the attempts to unilaterally redefine the word that defines us - "woman" -, the refusal to allow rational debate on the subject and the insistence that we not just allow trans people to make their own choices about how to present or behave (fine as long as they don’t infringe on the rights of others) but also have to validate their choices by agreeing that they are "real women" when they patently aren’t.

It's anti men. Anti males. In our spaces. Not anti 'trans'. And 95% of us are left wing feminists, @RanchRat , so you have absolutely no idea whatsoever what you are even talking about.

It really isn’t.

It is. Look at all of the recent surveys and research. Most people want to protect single sex spaces and do not believe you can change sex. That’s what we believe too.

Hmm, trans people are, according to official figures (which are maybe an overestimate), around 0.5% of the population, so 1 in 200. Yet organisations are supposed to provide separate toilets and changing rooms for them? Would that be one for transwomen and another for transmen? Expensive and unworkable. Or do we just make everything single-cubicle and mixed-sex? Again, expensive, not always workable, and brings its own problems.

That’s bullshit.
The horror that’s being foisted on girls is appalling, and something some of us speak out against daily.

I’m a middle aged autistic woman, I know many autistic women of all ages. One thing we have in common in nearly all cases is that our teenage years were awful. Some had eating disorders, some had what would now be termed gender dysphoria, others had crippling mental illness.

I had gender dysphoria. I am certain is was caused by arbitrary gender stereotypes. Luckily I was born in the 70s. Gender stereotypes weren’t as rigid, I was able to have short hair and wear my brothers clothes without being judged at all. I didn’t accept my female body at all until I had my first child, then it all made sense, and I was very grateful that I wasn’t able to make choices that I certainly would have done given the options our poor children have now.

Nowadays gender is king. Stereotypes maketh the person. Want short hair? Play football? You’re a boy. Like pink? Want to wear a fairy dress? You’re a girl.

Not only this, but this lunacy is state sanctioned by people who really should know better than assume that a child, particularly an unhappy autistic child, knows what they want with no knowledge of the long term consequences. The NHS including GPs and CAMHS, teachers, social workers, government agencies and charities looking out for the welfare of children - all captured. All ignoring the big elephant in the room.
It’s like everything we know about child development has been chucked out.

97.5% of trans identified girls are autistic, or have a history of abuse or neglect, or are looked after children, or have severe mental illness. For the love of god why are any of these girls allowed to make life changing decisions when it’s already known that we nearly all grow out of it?

Bugger off with your accusation that no one’s doing anything, this is a very important topic, but we’re going against the tide here, and too many autism families are so captured that as yet they don’t know what they’re doing to their children, they think they are part of a benevolent family that wants the best for them.

The AI generation theory does make a lot of sense for why the GC arguments on here are so cyclical. No nuance or subtly. I hadn't considered that before.

If I think about how many times I have to reword my AI prompts when working, it totally links to the way at times vitriolic posts here seem to have no ability to 'read the room'.

I don't even bother to engage with these types anymore, as reasoning is futile with people who's hatred is so entrenched.
I just feel sorry for their kids and God help them if they are born a sex that feels wrong to them.

Bullshit. There is no nuance when it comes to sex. We have arguments and facts on our side. It’s the TRAs who have nothing. Their arguments extend to calling us big meanies or refusing to say anything at all because “reasons.”

If you’ve met one autistic person you’ve met one autistic person. Your autism doesn't t speak for all and neither does your gender dysphoria.

So you also think that we believe humans can't change sex because AI content fed us that.

This is wild 😂

Yes, because being born as a woman is so easy. Especially when a certain section of society wants to remove any protections you have.

Some really well done satire there! Well done!

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-cannot-back-up-26961353

That sounds like a very long winded way of saying that the women here are blunt and to the point and don’t say things nicely/kindly or in an acceptably womanly like way eg referring to TW as men because they are men

Thinking that someone is not what they say they are doesn't mean saying they don't exist.
I don't think my DS is the brainiest person in the world but I am pretty sure he exists.

Can you be excessively hateful to something you don't recognise as existing. You factually can't change your genetics. Is it excessively hateful to say that Allah doesn't exist? again it is scientifically factual.

Give over, MALES are 50% of the population, not a 'vulnerable' 'minority'. Even in a dress. They are the oppressor and predator sex class.

What they wear does not change that.

Hatred, that is ridiculous .Yes I don’t like bullies but that was in no way represented in my post. My children have a loving supportive mother thanks.

Only if "excessively hateful" is equated with simple disagreement.