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Thread 6: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 12/07/2025 23:41

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

NB Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people who aren't in the public eye or have no connection to the story, especially where details are unclear or still emerging i.e. DON'T DO IT.

Keep on the path. No saltiness. Thank you.

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the three Observer articles before posting.

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

Raynor and Moth Winn’s redemptive journey from penury and homelessness led to a bestselling book. The truth behind it is very different

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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Thebelleofstmarys · 13/07/2025 16:30

Orangesandlemons77 · 13/07/2025 15:45

The most recent letter states about the recent cardiac diagnosis, so that might be contributing? I guess that would be fairly common for someone of his age

A very good insight . Just 2 weeks ago I was told , following a number of consultant led tests , I indeed have a cardiac issue on top of the other hideous chronic diseases diagnosed during the past 3 years . But - it was also explained that that this issue is not uncommon at 65 and at the most , may require a pacemaker in 2 years . It has nothing to do with the other conditions, the consultant seemed not to be overly concerned so I've decided not be, too. Haven't mentioned it to anyone but my OH and bestie. Cos- why would I?

DisappointedReader · 13/07/2025 16:32

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 16:29

Why wouldn't you be?

It takes some very wonky moral codes to behave like the Walkers.

It is interesting to think about what they might believe about themselves.

I think many of us go through life trying to understand the thought processes of others, either professionally, personally or both.

Through our reading too, ironically.

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placemats · 13/07/2025 16:32

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 16:29

Why wouldn't you be?

It takes some very wonky moral codes to behave like the Walkers.

It is interesting to think about what they might believe about themselves.

Because it's redundant when getting to the actual truth. Do not care what they actually believe about themselves - you're never going to know. Expend the energy elsewhere.

DiamondThrone · 13/07/2025 16:33

SmellsLikeTippex · 13/07/2025 15:37

I think her doubts were because she wanted him to sell the farm, because it was an obsession with him (this ‘dream of returning to the land’), and he seems to have had unsatisfactory previous tenants. RW quotes his wife, when she meets her, saying she’d been furious when he first said he’d offered it to the Walkers because the farm had been ‘a huge financial and emotional black hole’ for him. The whole family had been planning to move there from London before his wife got breast cancer, and by the time she’d recovered, his ‘focus had moved on’ and the children were too settled in their London schools, plus his wife just didn’t want to go and live out his dream. She just wants him to sell it and stop having sleepless nights about it.

Interestingly, Raynor gives ‘Rachel’, the wife, a cancer survivor, a bit of side eye as she describes her in TWS, as this powerful figure who might pull the plug on them, and who gives her ‘a hug that held a casual, assured resilience’:

I watched Rachel as she looked across the land, a woman who had the power to end a dream or fan the flame

She’s really good at biting the hand that feeds them, or if not exactly biting, snarling slightly at it .😀

SalllyRaynor is just coming across as a more and more horrible character, now that the veil has been lifted.

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 16:33

I think RW and probably MW too are riddled with envy of those who have "more than them" be it a City banker who has given them a home or a small Cornish shopkeeper with fudge for sale. The description of Sam/Bill was sneering and unkind for no good reason at all, but if your entitlement always exceeds what you have-even after a successful book- it will find a way out.

DiamondThrone · 13/07/2025 16:35

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 15:39

You’re assuming any of what she wrote is true.

would love to hear the wife’s version

The thing is, the fantasty version she has written does not paint her well at all!

And I reckon she can't see that. Like a true narcicisst.

MrsKypp · 13/07/2025 16:35

I think the two of them deliberately researched and selected a rare disease that is predominantly diagnosed based on symptoms reported by the person (until after death when the brain can be examined and a firm diagnosis can be made).This was for the alleged walk and reversal of symptoms in the book set in 2013. Possibly for before that too to get out of paying debts.

Tests and scans in 2011 had been completely fine - no sign of anything, so they probably realised they had to try another tactic and go on symptoms alone. Symptoms they could lie about Moth having: I suspect Moth made up symptoms to match CBD.

He certainly made up being told he had 2 months to live in Oct 2021.

As for the saccadic eye movements issue, this can also occur in ADHD, autism etc it certainly does not confirm CBD/CDS.

I am certain true patients of CBD will have been deeply upset by all of this. They were given false hope. Also, others will have said to the true CBD patients that they should go on long walks and then they'd be cured. I know well how this feels because I was on cancer treatments for a long time and lost count how often I was told if I ate this or that food item I would be cured, or that my lack of exercise caused my cancer (said by people who don't know me - I enjoy exercise and have always done over the recommended minimum of 150 minutes of moderate exercise per week).

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 16:36

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:32

Because it's redundant when getting to the actual truth. Do not care what they actually believe about themselves - you're never going to know. Expend the energy elsewhere.

But part of the interest isn’t just getting to the truth

if we ignore TSP and just focus on the cider farm it’s interesting to wonder why she thought she could say those things that were both untrue and unkind - arrogance, a distorted view of self?

SmellsLikeTippex · 13/07/2025 16:37

BufferingAgain · 13/07/2025 16:21

Better the ‘clean soft hands of an office worker’ than the ‘sticky fingers of a bent bookkeeper’

😀😀

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:37

DisappointedReader · 13/07/2025 16:32

I think many of us go through life trying to understand the thought processes of others, either professionally, personally or both.

Through our reading too, ironically.

It's perfectly good to resonate with the emotions of the books and the film. Totally understandable.

Given the recent revelations that these threads are based on, it's just not worth going to get into the thought processes behind the actions.

DiamondThrone · 13/07/2025 16:38

FlyAgaricc · 13/07/2025 15:23

It wouldn't have been hard for Penguin to do some basic fact checking. All they had to do was ask Sally for proof of the diagnosis and proof of the financial dispute. How long would that take? They are a massive publisher who is trusted by the public. I think they should share some of the responsibility. They can't just publish anything that anyone says. Especially medical stuff

Never look a grift horse in the mouth

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:39

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 16:36

But part of the interest isn’t just getting to the truth

if we ignore TSP and just focus on the cider farm it’s interesting to wonder why she thought she could say those things that were both untrue and unkind - arrogance, a distorted view of self?

I don't care about either of those people's thought processes.

Orangesandlemons77 · 13/07/2025 16:43

Thebelleofstmarys · 13/07/2025 16:30

A very good insight . Just 2 weeks ago I was told , following a number of consultant led tests , I indeed have a cardiac issue on top of the other hideous chronic diseases diagnosed during the past 3 years . But - it was also explained that that this issue is not uncommon at 65 and at the most , may require a pacemaker in 2 years . It has nothing to do with the other conditions, the consultant seemed not to be overly concerned so I've decided not be, too. Haven't mentioned it to anyone but my OH and bestie. Cos- why would I?

Hope you are OK, yes good to have it checked out for the future. My dad had atrial fibrillation at around the same age- dad was a marathon runner and apparently it is more common in runners- to do with the intense exercise and the heart it seems.

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 16:44

I'm interested in their motivations. I'm especially interested in how you could sit next to 2 fairly big deal actors on a publicity tour repeating a story you know to be far from the truth when you're aware the Observer are on your case.

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:44

To get to the truth ignore the thought process. Actions not words written or said matter.

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 16:44

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 16:36

But part of the interest isn’t just getting to the truth

if we ignore TSP and just focus on the cider farm it’s interesting to wonder why she thought she could say those things that were both untrue and unkind - arrogance, a distorted view of self?

Yes, I wonder that. After all, Bill Cole isn't some random anonymous person they met along the way.

He's supposedly their friend. Did they dismiss it? Did he even ask, or accept it as artistic licence?

Or does she have no awareness that she is being unkind?

Crikeyalmighty · 13/07/2025 16:44

Can’t help but notice too ( whilst completely irrelevant I know) how much the couple look like each other . I would have took them for brother and sister

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:45

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 16:44

I'm interested in their motivations. I'm especially interested in how you could sit next to 2 fairly big deal actors on a publicity tour repeating a story you know to be far from the truth when you're aware the Observer are on your case.

It's a form of entertainment for them both. ETA that is a thought process which may or may not be right or wrong

Orangesandlemons77 · 13/07/2025 16:45

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 16:36

But part of the interest isn’t just getting to the truth

if we ignore TSP and just focus on the cider farm it’s interesting to wonder why she thought she could say those things that were both untrue and unkind - arrogance, a distorted view of self?

It reminds, me, again of a certain writer in the Daily Mail who appears to have alienated all her friends by writing about them in her articles.

I guess extreme narcissism which goes with a lack of empathy?

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 16:46

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 16:44

I'm interested in their motivations. I'm especially interested in how you could sit next to 2 fairly big deal actors on a publicity tour repeating a story you know to be far from the truth when you're aware the Observer are on your case.

On the This Morning one with GA, Sally looked deeply uncomfortable!

DiamondThrone · 13/07/2025 16:46

Crikeyalmighty · 13/07/2025 16:44

Can’t help but notice too ( whilst completely irrelevant I know) how much the couple look like each other . I would have took them for brother and sister

That's a well documented thing, I think? People choosing people who look lke they could be related to them.

But not on purpose.

MrsKypp · 13/07/2025 16:47

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:39

I don't care about either of those people's thought processes.

Maybe you don't @placemats and I certainly understand why you wouldn't want to: they are an evil couple of manipulative liars.

However, it would give us more insight into human thought and behaviour - both of S & T Walker as well as the reaction from the readers, publishers, and wider public.

In my opinion, we all need to be more aware of how dangerous and damaging untrue claims of reversing horrendous medical conditions can be; far more must be done to prevent this sort of thing happening again. Belle Gibson et al. need to be stopped sooner.

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 16:48

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:45

It's a form of entertainment for them both. ETA that is a thought process which may or may not be right or wrong

Edited

Then they don't in any way have normal responses, because public disclosure as frauds and rogues is something even most frauds and rogues would shy away from, even if it's just to keep the money coming in.

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:51

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 16:48

Then they don't in any way have normal responses, because public disclosure as frauds and rogues is something even most frauds and rogues would shy away from, even if it's just to keep the money coming in.

In their reality it may well seem normal but that's conjecture. As is everything about their thought processes.

Pigmoondotcom · 13/07/2025 16:52

SmellsLikeTippex · 13/07/2025 12:02

My sense is that they have never, as a couple, been good at sticking to things and grafting (there’s a grafter/grifter joke in there somewhere), and there’s a pattern of dropping out, quitting jobs, doing flits etc. Of which underperforming on the cider farm and disappearing is just one more instance.

I can’t remember what the source was now, but someone quoted several threads back an account by (possibly) some former colleague of Moth’s of him suddenly quitting a job (maybe the NT head gardener job?) at no notice, and leaving the area suddenly with some story about one of his young children getting out of the garden of their home and almost being hit by a car?

The books always present Moth as incredibly hardworking, willing, skilled, and knowledgeable about the natural world (the degree he does when they were living in Polruan has just given him a formal qualification in something he’s always been expert in, and even when purportedly very ill and losing his memory to the point where he sometimes drives the wrong way to campus, he still goes to all classes and studies), plus he’s also a skilled ‘master plasterer’ and farmer, with considerable experience in restoring old properties. (TWS describes them as restoring a cottage together when very young, before they married, but it’s not clear if they ever lived in it.)

Raynor by her own account has had a spotty employment history (though she specifically says in both TSP and TWS that this is because for the 20 years before they started the SWCP walk, she’d been self-employed on their own farm, neatly deleting her job at the Hemings estate agency and the Abersoch hotel job, if it ever existed), so why would anyone employ her with no qualifications or references? Which is clearly unfair in her mind, but also a useful excuse for not working..

They’re both presented as endlessly hardworking. Moth renovates Polly’s outbuilding from a barely habitable wreck to a point where it’s lettable while very ill and barely able to use his arms, while Raynor works hard with the sheepshearers. There’s always a huge emphasis on the loss of their farm/home, because they ‘restored it with our own hands’ and brought the land back into productivity. Even just before the bailiffs arrive Raynor is still ‘like a true farmer’ concerned about moles in their field.

However, it’s not clear to me whether they were ever actually farmers in any real sense, or how much land they owned in Wales. Does the property listing when it was up for sale say? TSP only refers to buying four sheep (the last of whom is Smotyn the ancient ewe whose grave they selflessly dig jist before the bailiffs show up), all dead and their offspring sold by the time of the repossession, and to keeping chickens. Was it just a token ‘farm’ with a few sheep and hens so they could call their barn a ‘farm stay’?

Moth in TWS starts reciting vague ‘agricultural stats’ and says he doesn’t want to buy their own livestock for the cider farm, only to rewild it and run the cider operation, because he doesn’t want to be tied to it 24/7. He wants to attend R’s book events and do another walk. Again, RW paints a picture of an ill man devotedly strimming and clearing rubbish, and that his work yields miraculous results very fast. ‘Sam’ (Bill Cole) weeps with gratitude when he first sees the restored land.

But RV never mentions working on the land herself, says Moth’s working days are only four hours long because he’s so ill, and her account of the first apple harvest is very weird. They don’t seem to have a plan for how to pick the apples. A local poster on the last thread says volunteers always help out on ‘Apple Day’, but RV writes a gloomy scene about her and Moth wandering around the orchard after a storm, looking at the bruised windfalls and saying ‘We can’t pick them all’ and ‘This will all go to waste’, and never explains why volunteers show up to help, apparently without them knowing this is usual. There’s a vague reference to the barn being filled with fruit and the cider press working again, but it’s not clear who is working it.

I suppose what I’m saying is that there’s a long pattern of doing a half-assed job and then disappearing.

The books always present Moth as incredibly hardworking, willing, skilled, and knowledgeable about the natural world (the degree he does when they were living in Polruan has just given him a formal qualification in something he’s always been expert in, and even when purportedly very ill and losing his memory to the point where he sometimes drives the wrong way to campus, he still goes to all classes and studies), plus he’s also a skilled ‘master plasterer’ and farmer, with considerable experience in restoring old properties. (TWS describes them as restoring a cottage together when very young, before they married, but it’s not clear if they ever lived in it.)

Shades of Vanessa Shanessa Jenkins. I wonder if he ever knew John Prescott.

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