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Thread 6: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 12/07/2025 23:41

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

NB Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people who aren't in the public eye or have no connection to the story, especially where details are unclear or still emerging i.e. DON'T DO IT.

Keep on the path. No saltiness. Thank you.

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the three Observer articles before posting.

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

Raynor and Moth Winn’s redemptive journey from penury and homelessness led to a bestselling book. The truth behind it is very different

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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Bruisername · 13/07/2025 15:42

Or even just asking questions?

the way you’ve written about the court case doesn’t really add up? Could you clarify what happened here exactly?

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 15:43

It is a tiny detail in the grand scheme of it all, but from the Times article about the Village Du Dropt property

While in its present state it is an eyesore, Morley, an architecture enthusiast, speculates that the Walkers’ property may once have belonged in a medieval bastide because the semicircle archway at the front of the property is reminiscent of 14th-century designs.

I'm not wildly keen on people who buy historic property and let it rot into ruin, especially when they now have the money to do something about it.

Agoddessonamountaintop · 13/07/2025 15:45

WanderingWisteria · 13/07/2025 15:16

My own musing as to why this has come out is that it might be linked to the Tortoise Media purchase of the Observer. This is purely personal
speculation but I wonder if one of the investors in that knows Bill Cole or Richard - or knows someone who knows them - and they were at a party or something and someone mentioned they had gone to or were off to see the TSP film and someone else mentioned that it all sounded a bit odd to them as they had heard that Moth only had weeks to live a couple of years ago and yet here he was involved in the publicity tour. As I said, pure speculation but that might have been the spark which then sent Chloe H off on her way.
I couldn’t sleep last night due to the heat and ended up skimming through bits of TSP. It is extraordinary to re-read it now. I was always a bit suspicious of bits of it but so much of it has now been exposed as a lie that you really wonder if any of it is true. I’m reading on a Kindle so can’t give page numbers but, at the beginning, when talking the fact that her last minute evidence isn’t accepted SW says “wasted my perfect piece of paper, with the perfect white truth”. Of course, this piece of paper that would have got them off the hook can’t have actually existed. Perhaps the only accurate thing is that their credit rating is on the floor! It is fascinating.
I have always dipped in & out of reading The Guardian but never The Observer. When checking for updates this week, I’ve read some entirely unrelated articles on their website and enjoyed them so they may have gained a new reader.

I have a question nagging at me (please bear with): since you’ve recently been rereading/skimming, do you have any recollection as to the reason given for going to Cornwall for their walk? It’s a long way from Wales, and surely they could have walked a coastal path closer to home (of course, we know that they were doing a flit, but I can’t remember how this was explained in the book)?
Apologies if this is a daft question; I deleted my copy as I had no intention of ever reading it again.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 13/07/2025 15:45

Choux · 13/07/2025 09:37

Desperation to sell it for enough to clear the mortgage and the charge? It was on Escape to the country in 2011 (from memory) for a price of £435k.

Yes it's peculiar how they were relentlessly desperately trying to sell it (even SW admits in her statement they tried to sell it, and do that popular thing of, um, raffling it in a book draw) but then when it gets repossessed it's all tears about living there 20 years, raising their children in it and lovingly repairing the roof.

Orangesandlemons77 · 13/07/2025 15:45

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 15:38

Yes, I think the letters confirm he's ill. From something that was once thought to be mild CBD, but since 2019, has had at least one consultant think it could be something else.

It behoves the medical profession to explore that because it could help someone else in the future who presents similarly.

The most recent letter states about the recent cardiac diagnosis, so that might be contributing? I guess that would be fairly common for someone of his age

Orangesandlemons77 · 13/07/2025 15:47

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 15:43

It is a tiny detail in the grand scheme of it all, but from the Times article about the Village Du Dropt property

While in its present state it is an eyesore, Morley, an architecture enthusiast, speculates that the Walkers’ property may once have belonged in a medieval bastide because the semicircle archway at the front of the property is reminiscent of 14th-century designs.

I'm not wildly keen on people who buy historic property and let it rot into ruin, especially when they now have the money to do something about it.

Wasn't there something about how they bought it to save it from a property developer?

Orangesandlemons77 · 13/07/2025 15:49

OpenThatWindow · 13/07/2025 15:42

To me the letters repeat the symptoms Tim says he has. There's no letter that says "I diagnose XYZ" but more "as per his diagnosis".

But no actual evidence of degenerative physicality?

And wasn't it reported by them that a scan gave him the all clear?

On one of the letters it mentions they were going to repeat a scan and then write after that, but that letter is not included.

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 15:51

Agoddessonamountaintop · 13/07/2025 15:45

I have a question nagging at me (please bear with): since you’ve recently been rereading/skimming, do you have any recollection as to the reason given for going to Cornwall for their walk? It’s a long way from Wales, and surely they could have walked a coastal path closer to home (of course, we know that they were doing a flit, but I can’t remember how this was explained in the book)?
Apologies if this is a daft question; I deleted my copy as I had no intention of ever reading it again.

she says that while they are hiding from the bailiffs they see the swcp book and decide it’s where they should go

more likely they picked somewhere further as they were running away!!

Agoddessonamountaintop · 13/07/2025 15:52

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 15:51

she says that while they are hiding from the bailiffs they see the swcp book and decide it’s where they should go

more likely they picked somewhere further as they were running away!!

Ah yes these impulsive creative types!

Catwith69lives · 13/07/2025 15:53

In terms of anomalies in TSP has anybody mentioned the account of the ferry at Gillan Creek? (p188).

Although there is a ferry, apparently it isn't operated by a ferryman in a rowing boat with a dog. A commentator on Reddit who lives in the village has also questioned the account of the rude Liverpudlian and his dog Buster!

Gillan Creek ferry to St. Anthony on the South West Coast Path

Thread 6: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 15:54

Orangesandlemons77 · 13/07/2025 15:47

Wasn't there something about how they bought it to save it from a property developer?

That's what they said.

The Times piece is really interesting I thought, I hope this archived link copies but someone posted a readable version I think late on the last thread.

archive.ph/AmeUg#selection-1829.0-1829.263

SwetSwetSwet · 13/07/2025 15:54

Barbadossunset · 13/07/2025 08:09

A man whose hands appeared never to have seen dirt, or caught the fleece of a ewe thick with lanolin, or laid a hedge. The clean soft hands of an office worker

The cider farm owner was doing them a favour. I wonder why they felt the need to write this unpleasant and sneering comment especially since according to the farm owner’s friend, the Walkers didn’t do much work on the farm.

Did anyone see the drama series Fake, based on the 2019 book by an Australian journalist. It was inspired by her relationship with a cruel scammer, who claimed to farm sheep. Episode 1 is called Lanolin, and it just reminded me of RW/SW's quote! This is the extract from the book, which arouses her suspicions.

"I think of the man’s hands – soft and pale and clean. Once, I asked him how a farmer’s hands could be so fine. ‘I wear gloves,’ he said straight back at me, pointing out his sun-spotted fair skin. A few days later he reintroduced the subject. ‘I’ve been thinking about why my hands are so soft,’ he said. ‘It’s the lanolin in the sheep’s fleece.’"
www.penguin.com.au/books/fake-9780143792208/extracts/2108-fake

User14March · 13/07/2025 15:56

Woud letters be generated if you had vague muscle aches, etc? Were the charity party to more (?) they seem to have dropped them with unreasonable (?) alacrity.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 13/07/2025 15:59

LiteralLunatic · 13/07/2025 15:00

The 2015 letter refers to neurological tests in 2011. There will presumably have been a diagnosis (or multiple different diagnoses given that Moth’s condition doesn’t fit any known disorder exactly) before 2015. It seems likely that CBS/CBD would have been considered and possibly diagnosed before then.

I thought the quote from the letter that The Observer used and described as his doctor “praising” them for their work raising awareness of CBD was a bit of a gotcha 😂 Way to say your neurologist warned you not to claim walking is a miracle cure for CBD without actually saying it 😂

The Observer article says that Raynor hasn’t explained fully about the book “lottery” in her rebuttal.

“Winn has not clarified how giving away their home in a free prize draw would have helped them manage their debts. Nor has she addressed the issue that they promised how entrants that they could win could have won a house “offered free of mortgage or any other legal or registered charge”, as promised, when more than £300,000 was owed to the bank and private lenders.”

I am sure in one of the articles linked to on one of the threads, Raynor said the plan was that they had set the limit at 300k entries for the prize draw to go ahead. So 300k books at £5 each (the price of the ebook, I am assuming £5 profit on the £7 paperback after printing costs) is £1.5 million. An Izzy Wyn indeed…

Or did I imagine that? 😂 Anyone else remember that or which article it was?

The 2015 letter refers to tests undertaken in 2011 which may be correct but doesn't fit with a claim that Moth was given a diagnosis & terminal prognosis in 2013.

I understand that Mr Walker has had numerous tests including MRI scan of the brain, and EMG, EEG and screening blood tests all negative in 2011.

OpenThatWindow · 13/07/2025 15:59

User14March · 13/07/2025 15:56

Woud letters be generated if you had vague muscle aches, etc? Were the charity party to more (?) they seem to have dropped them with unreasonable (?) alacrity.

The charity would have an in-depth insight into the usual and typical language and content of consultant letters, I wonder if they know something is very much amiss.

Dropping them quite sharply does speak louder than words.

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 16:03

Catwith69lives · 13/07/2025 15:53

In terms of anomalies in TSP has anybody mentioned the account of the ferry at Gillan Creek? (p188).

Although there is a ferry, apparently it isn't operated by a ferryman in a rowing boat with a dog. A commentator on Reddit who lives in the village has also questioned the account of the rude Liverpudlian and his dog Buster!

Gillan Creek ferry to St. Anthony on the South West Coast Path

Interesting!!

I suspect a lot of the people they met were baffled to see themselves written as being nasty and judgy! If those people exist of course

SpiceRoad · 13/07/2025 16:03

'Threats directed at my children'.

That's another bit of emotional manipulation. They would have been covered by her use of the word 'family' but she added in 'children' as well. Yes, they are her children (as in 'offspring') and they have done nothing wrong, but they are adults in their 30s, not minors or even young people.

I should stress I'm absolutely not saying they are 'fair game' in any way but just pointing out how she tries to press our emotional buttons ALL the time with her careful choice of language.

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:12

Agoddessonamountaintop · 13/07/2025 15:45

I have a question nagging at me (please bear with): since you’ve recently been rereading/skimming, do you have any recollection as to the reason given for going to Cornwall for their walk? It’s a long way from Wales, and surely they could have walked a coastal path closer to home (of course, we know that they were doing a flit, but I can’t remember how this was explained in the book)?
Apologies if this is a daft question; I deleted my copy as I had no intention of ever reading it again.

The SWCP path start and end.

www.southwestcoastpath.org.uk/walk-coast-path/south-west-coast-path-national-trail/

DisappointedReader · 13/07/2025 16:12

SpiceRoad · 13/07/2025 16:03

'Threats directed at my children'.

That's another bit of emotional manipulation. They would have been covered by her use of the word 'family' but she added in 'children' as well. Yes, they are her children (as in 'offspring') and they have done nothing wrong, but they are adults in their 30s, not minors or even young people.

I should stress I'm absolutely not saying they are 'fair game' in any way but just pointing out how she tries to press our emotional buttons ALL the time with her careful choice of language.

I agree. I am also not saying that these adult children in their 30s have done anything wrong, let me just stress that before making the next point. They are however connected to the TSP industry. Both are listed alongside their parents on Companies House (Four Hares) and RaySal described the daughter sending off Saltlines journals to customers on her website.

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Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 16:16

Having no reason to disbelieve Bill Cole and his witness Richard and every reason to disbelieve Raymoth, I wonder who they could possibly square

But in October 2021, Bill says, Moth surprised him with an announcement. “He put his head in his hands and he said : ‘We went to the hospital this week and I’ve been told not to plan beyond Christmas.’” Bill was horrified. “I just went : ‘Oh my God!’ and gave him a big hug.”

with

When Winn’s third book, Landlines, was published in September 2022, Bill read how, in the winter of 2021, soon after Moth had finished another long walk, a neurologist told him his brain scan was “normal”, implying that the walk had drastically improved the symptoms of his condition.

(Both from the Observer article today)

I don't see how even their most fervent supporters could see this as anything but very, very odd indeed.

SmellsLikeTippex · 13/07/2025 16:19

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 15:39

You’re assuming any of what she wrote is true.

would love to hear the wife’s version

I’m not. I’m interested in the thought processes of someone who’s stuck themselves with a tissue of half truths, evasions, lies of omission and poetic licence from their unexpectedly successful first book and has a contract for a second with an editor who will be encouraging her to try to hit the same stream of feelgood attunement to nature and spousal love as TSP, while also fulfilling their readers’ curiosity about what happened next, especially to Moth’s health.

In her shoes, knowing this book was going to be published, I’d be being very careful about identifiable benefactors. It’s one thing being bitchy about possibly fictional encounters n the SWCP and quite another writing rather dubiously about identifiable individuals.

But she seems unable to help herself being snide about people. Which fascinates me. Does she actually believe what she’s writing when she represents the decision to accept Bill Cole’s farm tenancy as one of them trusting him?! Almost as if they’re doing this soft handed City boy with the steely wife a favour?

I’m confused about the timeline of the writing of TWS. Had the farm tenancy already gone sour by the time she was writing it? Does that explain some of its oddities?

BufferingAgain · 13/07/2025 16:21

Better the ‘clean soft hands of an office worker’ than the ‘sticky fingers of a bent bookkeeper’

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:21

SmellsLikeTippex · 13/07/2025 16:19

I’m not. I’m interested in the thought processes of someone who’s stuck themselves with a tissue of half truths, evasions, lies of omission and poetic licence from their unexpectedly successful first book and has a contract for a second with an editor who will be encouraging her to try to hit the same stream of feelgood attunement to nature and spousal love as TSP, while also fulfilling their readers’ curiosity about what happened next, especially to Moth’s health.

In her shoes, knowing this book was going to be published, I’d be being very careful about identifiable benefactors. It’s one thing being bitchy about possibly fictional encounters n the SWCP and quite another writing rather dubiously about identifiable individuals.

But she seems unable to help herself being snide about people. Which fascinates me. Does she actually believe what she’s writing when she represents the decision to accept Bill Cole’s farm tenancy as one of them trusting him?! Almost as if they’re doing this soft handed City boy with the steely wife a favour?

I’m confused about the timeline of the writing of TWS. Had the farm tenancy already gone sour by the time she was writing it? Does that explain some of its oddities?

Why would you be interested in the thought processes of ANYONE?

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 16:29

placemats · 13/07/2025 16:21

Why would you be interested in the thought processes of ANYONE?

Why wouldn't you be?

It takes some very wonky moral codes to behave like the Walkers.

It is interesting to think about what they might believe about themselves.

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