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Thread 6: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 12/07/2025 23:41

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

NB Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people who aren't in the public eye or have no connection to the story, especially where details are unclear or still emerging i.e. DON'T DO IT.

Keep on the path. No saltiness. Thank you.

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the three Observer articles before posting.

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

Raynor and Moth Winn’s redemptive journey from penury and homelessness led to a bestselling book. The truth behind it is very different

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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Bruisername · 14/07/2025 14:21

Agree about race across the world

my DS has even said in the past - there’s no point me doing that/applying as I don’t have a sob story

I think for people younger than 30 they only know a world where everyone has to have a back story to be on tv etc

Merrymouse · 14/07/2025 14:22

crackofdoom · 14/07/2025 14:17

This whole thing is making me ponder the contemporary trend of personalising everything in order to sell it to the masses. It seems there has to be an "overcoming adversity" narrative arc in order to sell any unrelated content.

Has anyone seen Apple Cider Vinegar? In it you have Belle Gibson, aware she's been at least partially rumbled, trying to persuade her editor at Penguin to leave out the bits about overcoming cancer in her recipe book and just market it on the strength of the recipes, but the editor will have none of it, telling her "It's not the books we sell nowadays, it's the people" or similar. I don't know how far that's based on the truth though.

This also hit me while watching Race Across the World- everybody had to have a bloody back story, and screen time that could have been spent focusing on the participants exploring the fantastic countries they were travelling in was instead dedicated to tedious navel gazing about whether they'd "grown closer" 🙄 And then it turns out that the winner's back story had been heavily manipulated by the BBC to cast her as a "simple wife and mum finding herself again", rather than the successful eventer she actually was.

It's a tedious and infantalising fashion, and hopefully Saltgate will prod the culture industry to move on from it.

God, imagine if there was this tendency in publishing when Dervla Murphy was writing her books. "Less about the countries you're visiting Dervla, and more about you revisiting past trauma of having to nurse your sick mum, and ooh- why not a whole book about your decision to become a single mum by choice in the 1970s, with maybe the odd superficial pretty view chucked in? Then the whole Internet can join in with the fun of trying to identify your daughter's father!"

It seems that every news story in the Times has to be accompanied by a ‘first person’ article.

I find it really irritating, but I suppose they get clicks?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 14/07/2025 14:23

AldoGordo · 14/07/2025 14:20

To add to this, I was thinking earlier how Jason Isaacs has publicly announced how much of a great guy Tim is, to the point of saying he loves him. This is precisely how master manipulators operate, charming their way into people's trust, and often its notably excessive. I've met people like this in the past who have initially been the most lovely people only to be found out as either frauds or cheaters.

Edited

He said he (Moth) was like a thin Father Christmas. Which knowing all we know now is hilarious as the Walkers are more likely to fleece you out of your Christmas presents than give you any!

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 14/07/2025 14:25

FlyAgaricc · 14/07/2025 14:20

Agreed, @crackofdoom . X Factor was terrible for this

Hated it. And hated Leona Lewis's A Moment Like This which always seemed to be the accompanying song played over.

Crikeyalmighty · 14/07/2025 14:27

@crackofdoom that’s exactly as it is - my H wanted to write a factual book on one of the bands we deal with , he knows all the story in vast detail - publisher told him- ‘only interested if it’s wars and all - lots of unknown gossip ‘ - which the band then quite rightly didn’t want to go along with - Everything has to be ‘sexed up’ -

User14March · 14/07/2025 14:27

AldoGordo · 14/07/2025 14:20

To add to this, I was thinking earlier how Jason Isaacs has publicly announced how much of a great guy Tim is, to the point of saying he loves him. This is precisely how master manipulators operate, charming their way into people's trust, and often its notably excessive. I've met people like this in the past who have initially been the most lovely people only to be found out as either frauds or cheaters.

Edited

Yep. Moth even has the battered poetry book in back pocket. It’s a considered act in other good looking charming men I’ve known.

tighterthanaducksarse · 14/07/2025 14:28

On SW insta or twitter it shows a picture of her with her daughter who she said stayed with them during lockdown

AldoGordo · 14/07/2025 14:28

tighterthanaducksarse · 14/07/2025 14:09

On SW insta or twitter it shows a picture of her with her daughter who she said stayed with them during lockdown

You are correct. I saw that too, on IG. But she deleted it the other day when she culled other images.

Bruisername · 14/07/2025 14:29

Crikeyalmighty · 14/07/2025 14:27

@crackofdoom that’s exactly as it is - my H wanted to write a factual book on one of the bands we deal with , he knows all the story in vast detail - publisher told him- ‘only interested if it’s wars and all - lots of unknown gossip ‘ - which the band then quite rightly didn’t want to go along with - Everything has to be ‘sexed up’ -

Tbf I wouldn’t want to read a book that had been sanitised and wasn’t warts and all in that circumstance.

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crackofdoom · 14/07/2025 14:35

Like, I'm not disputing that RW is a liar, but if the publishing/ entertainment industry is hungry for tales of overcoming personal adversity blah blah blah, it's inevitable that someone is going to fiddle the facts in order to give them what they want. I think the industry should be examining itself too.

placemats · 14/07/2025 14:36

Yes to Dervla Murphy @crackofdoom

Her travelogue books are brilliant. She said she took her child with her because the countries she was in also had children - brilliant response and much respect.

Crikeyalmighty · 14/07/2025 14:42

@Bruisername yeh I get that but unless you are a 55 year plus male, interested in very non mainstream genres, you wouldn’t have been the audience . It was all fine in the end but certainly brought home that mainstream corporates do tend to want the ‘sexing up’ to fit a certain demographic - ironically I would have found a book/film about the Walker/winns real life struggles that had all the actual truths far more interesting than the narrative that was told - ‘shit happens’ which would have been a great title - lol!! to me the book was actually a bit dull and rather florid in style, have not seen the film - but I suspect I’m far too cynical and I’m not their intended audience .

crackofdoom · 14/07/2025 14:46

placemats · 14/07/2025 14:36

Yes to Dervla Murphy @crackofdoom

Her travelogue books are brilliant. She said she took her child with her because the countries she was in also had children - brilliant response and much respect.

Can you imagine MN if her books were released nowadays??

Threads full of "OMG, she took her 9 year old walking the length of Peru with a mule? Child abuse! " "It's the alcohol abuse I'm worried about, looking for beer everywhere!"

And then the Daily Mail could lead with a massive splash about "REVEALED: THE FATHER OF MURPHY'S CHILD!" 😬

Happyholidays78 · 14/07/2025 14:54

crackofdoom · 14/07/2025 14:17

This whole thing is making me ponder the contemporary trend of personalising everything in order to sell it to the masses. It seems there has to be an "overcoming adversity" narrative arc in order to sell any unrelated content.

Has anyone seen Apple Cider Vinegar? In it you have Belle Gibson, aware she's been at least partially rumbled, trying to persuade her editor at Penguin to leave out the bits about overcoming cancer in her recipe book and just market it on the strength of the recipes, but the editor will have none of it, telling her "It's not the books we sell nowadays, it's the people" or similar. I don't know how far that's based on the truth though.

This also hit me while watching Race Across the World- everybody had to have a bloody back story, and screen time that could have been spent focusing on the participants exploring the fantastic countries they were travelling in was instead dedicated to tedious navel gazing about whether they'd "grown closer" 🙄 And then it turns out that the winner's back story had been heavily manipulated by the BBC to cast her as a "simple wife and mum finding herself again", rather than the successful eventer she actually was.

It's a tedious and infantalising fashion, and hopefully Saltgate will prod the culture industry to move on from it.

God, imagine if there was this tendency in publishing when Dervla Murphy was writing her books. "Less about the countries you're visiting Dervla, and more about you revisiting past trauma of having to nurse your sick mum, and ooh- why not a whole book about your decision to become a single mum by choice in the 1970s, with maybe the odd superficial pretty view chucked in? Then the whole Internet can join in with the fun of trying to identify your daughter's father!"

Yes! Race across the world was ridiculous this year, going over & over old wounds, family division, we are only from a small town in Wales etc etc. I was really fed up with it, they could have used some of the air time to look at the scenery more, the food they ate & more information on the cost of things. I can't stand this victim angle & it's probably why I don't watch much TV.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 14/07/2025 14:54

This is interesting, about the legal aspect of publishing. Not sure if it's been posted already so apologies if it has.

LostSunglasses · 14/07/2025 15:05

crackofdoom · 14/07/2025 14:17

This whole thing is making me ponder the contemporary trend of personalising everything in order to sell it to the masses. It seems there has to be an "overcoming adversity" narrative arc in order to sell any unrelated content.

Has anyone seen Apple Cider Vinegar? In it you have Belle Gibson, aware she's been at least partially rumbled, trying to persuade her editor at Penguin to leave out the bits about overcoming cancer in her recipe book and just market it on the strength of the recipes, but the editor will have none of it, telling her "It's not the books we sell nowadays, it's the people" or similar. I don't know how far that's based on the truth though.

This also hit me while watching Race Across the World- everybody had to have a bloody back story, and screen time that could have been spent focusing on the participants exploring the fantastic countries they were travelling in was instead dedicated to tedious navel gazing about whether they'd "grown closer" 🙄 And then it turns out that the winner's back story had been heavily manipulated by the BBC to cast her as a "simple wife and mum finding herself again", rather than the successful eventer she actually was.

It's a tedious and infantalising fashion, and hopefully Saltgate will prod the culture industry to move on from it.

God, imagine if there was this tendency in publishing when Dervla Murphy was writing her books. "Less about the countries you're visiting Dervla, and more about you revisiting past trauma of having to nurse your sick mum, and ooh- why not a whole book about your decision to become a single mum by choice in the 1970s, with maybe the odd superficial pretty view chucked in? Then the whole Internet can join in with the fun of trying to identify your daughter's father!"

Yay, a Dervla Murphy fan! (Though I adore her work, and was mildly starstruck the one time I met her, I suspect that in RL she was a more than averagely difficult mother to have and that her relationship with her daughter was not uncomplicated... And in fairness, she did also write a full-length memoir about her youth, she just didn't put it into her travel books. )

For anyone who doesn't know, Dervla Murphy was a legendary Irish travel writer who cycled to India from Ireland for her first trip in the mid-60s, and she is quite casual in the resulting book about being attacked by wolves in Yugoslavia and shooting one through the head while it's actually springing at her.

I suspect she would think that walking the SWCP was a slightly wussy walk in the park.

WynkenDeWorde · 14/07/2025 15:11

SpiceRoad · 14/07/2025 13:45

I'm thinking about the chicken shop episode now.

No broken ankle, no alarm going off, no landline phone in the shop, no means of climbing back out through the hole, no bread in the freezer, no way of just unlocking the front door to escape, no passer-by in 3 days who recognises her real distress??

So many questions.

That article was discussed about 2? 3? threads back.

It seems completely clear to me that the extended fantasy about falling through into the chicken shop and passers-by laughing merrily as she tries to attract attention is Raynor/Sally’s clumsy and clearly not-successful attempt to convey just that - a fantasy: She finally wrote her way into being the main character in her own life story

It’s a piece of writing (either RW’s or the daughter’s - I’m going with the latter) and RW is laboriously trying to draw parallels between the effulgent loveliness of Winn’s country surroundings and her child’s grimy urban prison. She says the daughter just wanted to stay in London to be alone and write while she worked out her ‘life-plan’, and then she did work it out and eventually decided to come ‘home’.

It’s not real, it’s metaphorical, but the article’s couched in such wifty-wafty language it’s hard to decipher.

verityveritas · 14/07/2025 15:13

SpiceRoad · 14/07/2025 13:17

I've come across this odd piece written by Raynor/Sally during lockdown. It describes how during the first lockdown her daughter was living in the city above a fried chicken shop and insisted on staying there rather than joining her parents in the countryside on the cider farm.

She rang her parents from isolation every day but then for 3 days, nothing. Raynor/Sally says that, while going out to sunbathe on the flat roof, her daughter had fallen through into the closed up chicken shop and was trapped for 3 days banging on the windows while passers by just laughed.

No details about injuries or how she was finally rescued. Or who footed the bill for the property damage. Just the inevitable fact that her daughter was vegan and so had an additional moral dilemma to deal with in her crisis.

I mean, you couldn't make it up. Oh hang on ...

https://www.penguin.co.uk/discover/articles/raynor-winn-lockdown-hope

Good grief, that story has so many holes in it, it would give a colander a run for its money.

i think the reason there has been so much interest in the couple, comes down to the book being marmite. I belonged to two book clubs, and this book was chosen for both (first time I only needed to read one book!).Club members either loved it, or conversely hated it, there was no middle ground. We’ve done books not everyone has enjoyed, or given up on, but either it’s been reasonably unanimous or there’s been a middle ground of ‘not for me, but it was well written’ type comments. The Salt path was full on division. I couldn’t stand the book, the author came across as angry, foolish, hostile, and just all round unpleasant. I couldn’t understand how Moth was able to get up from a camping mat on the floor, given his ‘terminal’ diagnosis, by the time a disease like this becomes terminal, there is generally a significant decline in function (I worked on neuro wards at the time of reading), she also mentioned the toll it was taking on Moth, when they were given a roof over their head in return for labour, again suggestive of his illness making physical work challenging. I didn’t understand why the court refused to listen to the evidence which would have exonerated them, although I know nothing about the law or how courts work. I also though the way she went on about deciding to represent herself [in court] and the clothes she wore to ‘kick-ass’ (I think was the term she used, but I read this in 2019, so might have mis remembered), all seemed childish, when dealing with something as serious as losing their home. Add in the anger at when the seagull nicked part of a pasty one of them was eating, and that did it for me! I just couldn’t find any redeeming features in the book, it didn’t feel like a book about overcoming adversity, just an enormous whinge fest.

LostSunglasses · 14/07/2025 15:18

crackofdoom · 14/07/2025 14:35

Like, I'm not disputing that RW is a liar, but if the publishing/ entertainment industry is hungry for tales of overcoming personal adversity blah blah blah, it's inevitable that someone is going to fiddle the facts in order to give them what they want. I think the industry should be examining itself too.

Her agent, Jen Christie's website specifically says she is 'keen to see memoirs with a distinctive voice and timely themes; general non-fiction that blends personal narratives with broader societal issues'.

That's pretty much the trend at the moment.

Lunde · 14/07/2025 15:35

Cleanthecoffeemachine · 14/07/2025 13:49

Ooh she's not somewhere in Cheshire is she?

No.

But she does have a new job that gives her access to patient records - which is pretty scary

FurryHappyKittens · 14/07/2025 17:42

Happyholidays78 · 14/07/2025 14:54

Yes! Race across the world was ridiculous this year, going over & over old wounds, family division, we are only from a small town in Wales etc etc. I was really fed up with it, they could have used some of the air time to look at the scenery more, the food they ate & more information on the cost of things. I can't stand this victim angle & it's probably why I don't watch much TV.

Race Across The World got a different producer in the last two series. I noticed there was more concentration on back stories when Alfie and Owen were in it. But the series that's just ended was ridiculous. A constant going on and on and on about their pasts. Fin seemed to be the only one who wouldn't go along with it. They missed out a huge amount of the stuff I find interesting, so much so I'm doubtful that I'll watch the next one.

FurryHappyKittens · 14/07/2025 17:44

LostSunglasses · 14/07/2025 13:35

Well, The Wild Silence says they spent every weekend in the early years of their relationship climbing in the Peak District, and wild camping in the Scottish Highlands, including some quite hardcore stuff like nearly dying in a storm on the side of a mountain when their tent is blown away and they have to climb into a survival bag. So, although RW represents this as something they stopped doing once they had children, if you were going to be undramatic and matter of fact about it, you could probably recast the whole TSP as 'When we had some unexpected free time, we decided to get out our old camping equipment and go back to a low-cost hobby we used to do when we were younger.'

I just can't believe they did this. I've camped in the wild and not many times, but right from the off I knew to bury poo, and not to drink random water, etc.

I'm surprised they didn't encounter sand flies camping on the beach. That would have been realistic.

FurryHappyKittens · 14/07/2025 17:46

I've just started reading Full Tilt, and it made me laugh that she went with a gun secreted about her person. Can you imagine if someone said that today? Not that they'd get it through customs, mind!

FurryHappyKittens · 14/07/2025 17:49

LostSunglasses · 14/07/2025 15:18

Her agent, Jen Christie's website specifically says she is 'keen to see memoirs with a distinctive voice and timely themes; general non-fiction that blends personal narratives with broader societal issues'.

That's pretty much the trend at the moment.

I've plenty of that, I might write a book!

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