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Thread 6: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 12/07/2025 23:41

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

NB Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people who aren't in the public eye or have no connection to the story, especially where details are unclear or still emerging i.e. DON'T DO IT.

Keep on the path. No saltiness. Thank you.

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the three Observer articles before posting.

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

Raynor and Moth Winn’s redemptive journey from penury and homelessness led to a bestselling book. The truth behind it is very different

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 12:25

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 12:14

I think that probably is the case. I do get the impression they genuinely love nature and the natural world and way of life and I think thats why there's a strand of truth that runs through the books and books people in, particularly people who live in urban areas and want to believe a certain presentation of rural life (i.e. that rural inhabitants could be naively sucked into a foolish investment )

Gosh I don't get that impression at all!

Even when I read TSP for the first time, was totally taken in by them, and thought it was a book about walking.

The bits about nature and other aspects of the environment felt shoehorned in, as if she knew nothing much but also knew they had to be in there somewhere to make the book more nature oriented and saleable.

This is not the only book, set of books, by far that does this, btw. I think it's probably required by publishers to be a part of the journey.

Which makes the publishers somewhat questionable in themselves.

placemats · 13/07/2025 12:25

Good to be back.

Many thanks to those posters who persevere and as always to @DisappointedReader who has been outstanding in keeping the threads clean and on topic.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 12:28

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 12:25

Gosh I don't get that impression at all!

Even when I read TSP for the first time, was totally taken in by them, and thought it was a book about walking.

The bits about nature and other aspects of the environment felt shoehorned in, as if she knew nothing much but also knew they had to be in there somewhere to make the book more nature oriented and saleable.

This is not the only book, set of books, by far that does this, btw. I think it's probably required by publishers to be a part of the journey.

Which makes the publishers somewhat questionable in themselves.

Ah interesting, it's a while since I read it and my overriding impression was that it was riddled with lies (how they lost the house/the stupid Simon Armitage story/the miraculous health cure/the hints they used the bus a lot) and weird snobbery (about people in council houses, about other people using the route) so I guess I am trying to make sense of the appeal!

Daisythepussycat · 13/07/2025 12:29

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 12:20

I've reread the rebuttal of the rebuttal by Chloe H, and it's thorough.

I think she's addressed the letters very well. Not saying that it's weird the first is from 2015 not 2013, but just mentioning it quite matter of factly, and also mentions the 2019 letter that says the consultant queried if Tim Walker actually had the disease. It also references Walker's claim that she never suggested walking was a miracle cure.

https://observer.co.uk/culture/books/article/fact-and-fiction-raynor-winn-wont-talk-to-us-but-heres-what-she-said-about-our-story

It does strike me as a bit odd that none of the media sources is mentioning the 2013/2015 discrepancy, because unless they had a crystal ball isn't it a bit of a smoking gun?

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 12:29

Criccieth was the place they said they rented a house before moving to the house five miles from Pwhlleli. They're a 15 minute drive from each other.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 12:29

Daisythepussycat · 13/07/2025 12:29

It does strike me as a bit odd that none of the media sources is mentioning the 2013/2015 discrepancy, because unless they had a crystal ball isn't it a bit of a smoking gun?

I expect there is some fairly detailed work going on behind the scenes

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 12:30

In one of the articles this week (I initially thought it was the Mail one about Bill Cole but on checking I was wrong) it says they're living elsewhere in Cornwall and gives the rough area. I don't think I should repeat as I can't evidence it but will carry on looking and repost the link if I find it.

TBH I rather imagine they might be elsewhere now after the events of this week. It isn't like they haven't got money.

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 12:31

Daisythepussycat · 13/07/2025 12:29

It does strike me as a bit odd that none of the media sources is mentioning the 2013/2015 discrepancy, because unless they had a crystal ball isn't it a bit of a smoking gun?

What if they did and then Sally Walker suddenly produces a letter from 2013?

They'd look daft. So best to concentrate on what's in front of them, and leave random people on the internet to pick apart that discrepancy!

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 12:31

placemats · 13/07/2025 12:25

Good to be back.

Many thanks to those posters who persevere and as always to @DisappointedReader who has been outstanding in keeping the threads clean and on topic.

Hear hear. Thanks @DisappointedReader

placemats · 13/07/2025 12:32

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 12:25

Gosh I don't get that impression at all!

Even when I read TSP for the first time, was totally taken in by them, and thought it was a book about walking.

The bits about nature and other aspects of the environment felt shoehorned in, as if she knew nothing much but also knew they had to be in there somewhere to make the book more nature oriented and saleable.

This is not the only book, set of books, by far that does this, btw. I think it's probably required by publishers to be a part of the journey.

Which makes the publishers somewhat questionable in themselves.

Yes agree about the focus on the publication blurb. Is that a cop out for the writer though? No statement as yet from the author about how the books were publicly advertised for marketing. And the subsequent film publicity.

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 12:32

I suppose they have made a lot of money but if they are bad with money then they may be frittering their way through it

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 12:34

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 12:30

In one of the articles this week (I initially thought it was the Mail one about Bill Cole but on checking I was wrong) it says they're living elsewhere in Cornwall and gives the rough area. I don't think I should repeat as I can't evidence it but will carry on looking and repost the link if I find it.

TBH I rather imagine they might be elsewhere now after the events of this week. It isn't like they haven't got money.

Agree. I don't think random members of the public should be trying to figure out where they live now or posting information that might help. That's veering into stalking and harassment

SmellsLikeTippex · 13/07/2025 12:38

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 12:07

I can’t remember what the source was now, but someone quoted several threads back an account by (possibly) some former colleague of Moth’s of him suddenly quitting a job (maybe the NT head gardener job?) at no notice, and leaving the area suddenly with some story about one of his young children getting out of the garden of their home and almost being hit by a car?

That was when they lived in Burton-upon-Trent.

There was an article about the NT place he worked at Plas yn Rhiw which interviewed him and he said that when his son ran out into the street, he realised that they needed and wanted to be somewhere rural to bring up their kids.

So they immediately left their jobs and rented a place in somewhere beginning with the letter C, before eventually buying the house in Pwlleli.

He started off as a volunteer at the NT property, then when the gardener retired he was taken on.

Thanks, @FurryHappyKittens . I mean, maybe that was entirely true, but it adds to the pattern of sudden disappearances.

Raynor’s parents generally appear as unsympathetic figures in TWS, mostly because of their attitude to Moth. Raynor represents this as prejudice, because he’s a ‘townie’ and ‘not like us’, but to be perfectly honest, if my shy, solitary teenager formed an obsessive attachment to someone who seemed like a restless, charismatic waster with an ‘only if I must attitude to work (lots of references to to them skipping work and college to be together in the early days of their relationship, and her lying to her parents about where she is) to the exclusion of all else, I’m not sure I’d have been that thrilled either.

Choux · 13/07/2025 12:38

Daisythepussycat · 13/07/2025 12:29

It does strike me as a bit odd that none of the media sources is mentioning the 2013/2015 discrepancy, because unless they had a crystal ball isn't it a bit of a smoking gun?

Only the Walkers can publish their medical details. Drs can’t although they may tell journals something off the record. Journalists are bound by what lawyers allow them to publish and an off the record hint wouldn’t get past the lawyers as they need evidence what they publish is true. And only the Walkers can provide the evidence.

Newspapers have to be sure they are telling the truth and have evidence to support it.
Writers of non fiction books and their publishers do not seem to be bound by the same requirements.

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 12:38

I wonder how true what Sally Walker said about having tracked down people they owed money to was? And that she came to a repayment agreement with them to repay the money she owed.

Also, have just remembered something from the YouTube dissection of the statement. He noted that she had specifically said:

As anyone who has ever lost their home knows, when you are evicted, changing the address on your driving licence is the least of your concerns.

He stated that this was her saying she hadn't changed the address on her driving licence. (And also was aligning herself with other people.)

Which is interesting as there's a potential £1000 fine if you don't let the DVLA know when you change address.

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 12:44

I've felt all along they had very little to do with the cider production side and said so. I wonder if in telling Bill C that Moth's illness was progressing fast and in fact terminal, they were buying some time and excuse to not work on the farm/go walking/write/whatever.

In all this, I keep asking the question "Who has the reason to lie?" Why would Ros Hemmings make up such a tale? Why would Bill Cole? Why would the nephew put up such a LinkedIn post as he did last week? These all seem to be normal people with lives of their own and nothing to gain from inserting themselves into the story except to put the record straight.

To my mind, the people who gain from lying, then and now, are RayMoth.

OpenThatWindow · 13/07/2025 12:44

SmellsLikeTippex · 13/07/2025 12:02

My sense is that they have never, as a couple, been good at sticking to things and grafting (there’s a grafter/grifter joke in there somewhere), and there’s a pattern of dropping out, quitting jobs, doing flits etc. Of which underperforming on the cider farm and disappearing is just one more instance.

I can’t remember what the source was now, but someone quoted several threads back an account by (possibly) some former colleague of Moth’s of him suddenly quitting a job (maybe the NT head gardener job?) at no notice, and leaving the area suddenly with some story about one of his young children getting out of the garden of their home and almost being hit by a car?

The books always present Moth as incredibly hardworking, willing, skilled, and knowledgeable about the natural world (the degree he does when they were living in Polruan has just given him a formal qualification in something he’s always been expert in, and even when purportedly very ill and losing his memory to the point where he sometimes drives the wrong way to campus, he still goes to all classes and studies), plus he’s also a skilled ‘master plasterer’ and farmer, with considerable experience in restoring old properties. (TWS describes them as restoring a cottage together when very young, before they married, but it’s not clear if they ever lived in it.)

Raynor by her own account has had a spotty employment history (though she specifically says in both TSP and TWS that this is because for the 20 years before they started the SWCP walk, she’d been self-employed on their own farm, neatly deleting her job at the Hemings estate agency and the Abersoch hotel job, if it ever existed), so why would anyone employ her with no qualifications or references? Which is clearly unfair in her mind, but also a useful excuse for not working..

They’re both presented as endlessly hardworking. Moth renovates Polly’s outbuilding from a barely habitable wreck to a point where it’s lettable while very ill and barely able to use his arms, while Raynor works hard with the sheepshearers. There’s always a huge emphasis on the loss of their farm/home, because they ‘restored it with our own hands’ and brought the land back into productivity. Even just before the bailiffs arrive Raynor is still ‘like a true farmer’ concerned about moles in their field.

However, it’s not clear to me whether they were ever actually farmers in any real sense, or how much land they owned in Wales. Does the property listing when it was up for sale say? TSP only refers to buying four sheep (the last of whom is Smotyn the ancient ewe whose grave they selflessly dig jist before the bailiffs show up), all dead and their offspring sold by the time of the repossession, and to keeping chickens. Was it just a token ‘farm’ with a few sheep and hens so they could call their barn a ‘farm stay’?

Moth in TWS starts reciting vague ‘agricultural stats’ and says he doesn’t want to buy their own livestock for the cider farm, only to rewild it and run the cider operation, because he doesn’t want to be tied to it 24/7. He wants to attend R’s book events and do another walk. Again, RW paints a picture of an ill man devotedly strimming and clearing rubbish, and that his work yields miraculous results very fast. ‘Sam’ (Bill Cole) weeps with gratitude when he first sees the restored land.

But RV never mentions working on the land herself, says Moth’s working days are only four hours long because he’s so ill, and her account of the first apple harvest is very weird. They don’t seem to have a plan for how to pick the apples. A local poster on the last thread says volunteers always help out on ‘Apple Day’, but RV writes a gloomy scene about her and Moth wandering around the orchard after a storm, looking at the bruised windfalls and saying ‘We can’t pick them all’ and ‘This will all go to waste’, and never explains why volunteers show up to help, apparently without them knowing this is usual. There’s a vague reference to the barn being filled with fruit and the cider press working again, but it’s not clear who is working it.

I suppose what I’m saying is that there’s a long pattern of doing a half-assed job and then disappearing.

As well as vague explanations and half truths

DisappointedReader · 13/07/2025 12:44

Hi everyone

After leaving the thread in one piece late last night it was a bit of a disappointment (the story of my life recently! Wink) to log on and find it had been hidden. There was also something unpleasant in the woodshed lurking on the 'hidden' page. I have emailed MNHQ about that, the reason behind the hiding and about the suspected disingenuous posters.

This has been a pretty good place on the whole for everyone wanting to discuss the meandering Salt Path over 6 threads. Let's keep it that way.

ETA Sorry about the block capitals. I'm not shouting at you all. Most of us get the message but it seems that a naughty few need the hairdryer treatment:

  1. NO POSTING OF REDACTED INFORMATION OR HOW TO FIND THIS
  2. NO POSTS NAMING AND IMPLICATING PERSONS OR ADDRESSES NOT ALREADY IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN
  3. NO ENGAGING WITH POSTERS IT IS FAIR TO ASSUME ARE DUPLICITIOUS, DISINGENUOUS, HAVE AN AGENDA OR ARE JUST THE USUAL COMMON OR GARDEN TROLLS. BEST TO IGNORE AFTER A POLITE REBUTTAL OF ANY FACTUALLY INCORRECT INFORMATION, OTHERWISE YOU RISK ALLOWING THEM TO DERAIL THE THREAD. NO TROLL HUNTING ON THE THREADS. IF NOT ENGAGING DOES NOT WORK AND THEY PERSIST THEN REPORT TO MNHQ AS A LAST RESORT. WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP BOTHERING THEM UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
  4. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THOSE WITH DIFFERING OPINIONS ARE WELCOME HERE, AS LONG AS THEY ARE GENUINE.
  5. I CAN'T ALWAYS BE AROUND ON THE THREADS SO I AM GRATEFUL FOR HELP WITH THE HOUSEKEEPING.

Hello, hello, it's good to be back, it's good to be back - as someone has very recently been singing.

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OpenThatWindow · 13/07/2025 12:47

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 12:34

Agree. I don't think random members of the public should be trying to figure out where they live now or posting information that might help. That's veering into stalking and harassment

I think it's more of a 'who are they swindling now and where' line of thought, than stalking.

Also knowing their current situation now that they have money behind them is very telling.

Bit odd for a self confessed outdoorsy, farming background couple to be in a penthouse flat, for example!

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 12:49

OpenThatWindow · 13/07/2025 12:47

I think it's more of a 'who are they swindling now and where' line of thought, than stalking.

Also knowing their current situation now that they have money behind them is very telling.

Bit odd for a self confessed outdoorsy, farming background couple to be in a penthouse flat, for example!

I get that, but I think that's a job for the journalists (or the people associated with their lives now) and I think it's crossing a line to try and work out exactly where they live.

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 12:50

i hope they are paying their own way

OpenThatWindow · 13/07/2025 12:51

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 12:49

I get that, but I think that's a job for the journalists (or the people associated with their lives now) and I think it's crossing a line to try and work out exactly where they live.

Completely agree specific info is not needed/helpful!

Better to err on the side of caution?

I do wonder myself where they are and what their current situation is.

I assume they've made a decent amount of money?

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 12:53

Uricon2 · 13/07/2025 12:44

I've felt all along they had very little to do with the cider production side and said so. I wonder if in telling Bill C that Moth's illness was progressing fast and in fact terminal, they were buying some time and excuse to not work on the farm/go walking/write/whatever.

In all this, I keep asking the question "Who has the reason to lie?" Why would Ros Hemmings make up such a tale? Why would Bill Cole? Why would the nephew put up such a LinkedIn post as he did last week? These all seem to be normal people with lives of their own and nothing to gain from inserting themselves into the story except to put the record straight.

To my mind, the people who gain from lying, then and now, are RayMoth.

Yes, I think the argument (such as it is) about them being the victims of other people making things up, or not taking accountability (like she insinuated with the Hemmings), can only work if one person accuses you of lying.

When more than one appears, it becomes a little bit unlikely that all these people are lying. The Hemmings. Bill Cole. Richard, Bill's friend. The mayor who is after taxes. Their nephew who called them pathalogical liars. The farmer who saw them leave at 2am.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 12:54

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 12:53

Yes, I think the argument (such as it is) about them being the victims of other people making things up, or not taking accountability (like she insinuated with the Hemmings), can only work if one person accuses you of lying.

When more than one appears, it becomes a little bit unlikely that all these people are lying. The Hemmings. Bill Cole. Richard, Bill's friend. The mayor who is after taxes. Their nephew who called them pathalogical liars. The farmer who saw them leave at 2am.

Maybe they have just been incredibly unlucky Grin

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