Muslim women who dress modestly...

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If you're at the beach and you want to paddle in the sea, are you able to roll up your trousers? Genuinely wondering as I saw a muslim family on the beach today having great fun. The kids were paddling in the sea. The women weren't but this question sprung in my head.

That was one example

It's not my scholars who state that; it's science really.

Exactly no one normal cares about couples sex lives, yet you keep bringing up period sex as though this is something Muslims are policing eachother over.

Islamically it's rude to ask people or make assumptions about their sex life

Forgot to quote you here @PreciousMomentsHun

you have explained that beautifully. Thank you for the insight.

@SonK I have not brought up period sex once because, again, I don't care about anyone's sex lives (and don't discuss mine on a perv-infested site like this).

"I am not even allowed to say women are dressed slutty."

There is no such thing as dressing "slutty."

You raised that Muslim women are not allowed to have sex during menstruation - that is brining it up and I responded by telling you that us Muslims do not even discuss this let alone go around interrogating eachother about it so I wanted to know why you bought it up.

Was it to imply that Islam perceives women who are on their period as dirty? I can help you understand this better if you are interested.

Women are not considered dirty because they are menstruating. In fact menstruating women can even go to the Mosque if they want to.

On that note, even if a man has bleeding that is flowing from a cut, he doesn't have to pray or fast similar to a woman menstruating because he needs rest. This reinforces that the exemption due to women menstruating is for her sake and not because she is dirty, otherwise she would be barred from entering a mosque and other holy places when menstruating.

Yes I understand, no such thing as dressing "slutty" - that wasn't my point.

My point is kindness is more important; commenting on someone's appearance or even how they dress is actually the most destructive of major sins in Islam.

You are most welcome : )

You are attempting to police and silence me and others you disapprove of. Get a bit of self awareness… you aren’t minding your own business….AT ALL!

If it’s rude to ask about people’s sex life in Islam, why are there gay Muslims saying their lives have been threatened due to their sexuality? Genuine question.

I can see that if you did not choose your own spouse, any excuse not to have sex with them must be a huge relief.

I think comments like this just really display the stereotyping and lack of insight

@SonK - no, again, I did NOT raise this subject of Muslim women having sex during menstruation. Jewish, Christian and Islamic scriptures all have the same sorts of foolish "rules" related to sex and diet, which probably made some sort of sense when they were formulated thousands of years ago before we had good plumbing and refrigeration, but I find them all utterly uninteresting and irrelevant to life in 2025. HTH.

Nice try. 🙄

The same principle applies; homosexuality is prohibited however it's no one's business to humiliate someone who is gay let alone threatening them.

Also if a parent is concerned with regards to their own child's sexuality, they are not to disown them (it is considered cruel and disapproved off to cut off ties with your own family).

Parents have to always be supportive of their children and still take care of them without causing harm.

Islamically the parents can guide them, ask them to pray more etc. and physically the most a parent can do is encourage the child to work or take up hobbies to occupy their mind.

And that's it - no punishment or humiliation, Muslims are told not to mention it again or anything else; they have to leave the child alone, especially if once grown up they still identify as gay - they have freewill.

Countries imposing the death penalty on people who are homosexual like Iran are being barbaric and most agree that it is repressive powers that use Sharia law on women and the vulnerable.

As for your initial question the threats gay Muslims are receiving, I bet it's mainly from their immediate family who are more concerned about how they will be seen by their community; unfortunately this does happen, but the good thing is it is being talked about more openly now with kindness being the motif.

I also know a lot of Muslims who have actively been supportive of Pride events, even hijab wearing women taking photos during work events and happy for it to be uploaded on social media so there is support as well.

I will be honest, I didn't have my photo taken under a rainbow frame for Pride month, not because of my religion but simply because I am straight and it is not central to me.

We even had an atheist who didn't want to have her photo taken in support of Pride for whatever reason and that's all okay because we all have freewill to do as we please as long as we are not hurting others along the way.

I have tried to answer your question as well as I can based on my own knowledge and personal experience, I hope it helps.

But that seems to contradict what Imans say
https://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Islams-Clear-Position-on-Homosexuality.pdf

There does appear to be some movement to modernising views on homosexuality in isolated pockets but to say there’s no problem re homosexuality in Islam is a lie. Islam is still interpreted in such a way to see people hung and beheaded for being gay.

I've wondered this too op, it's not odd.

There are a few obviously intelligent well educated Muslim women on this thread, stating that interpretation of such statements in the Quran is important these days.

I wonder if the experience of the less educated/ had fewer choices in life woman is the same.
In my experience (inner city life/working in schools) it is very different. Men are in charge, do what the man says, learn the Quran by heart in Arabic as is it the word of God.

Islam is cool with homosexuality yeah. You read it on Mumsnet first. ✌️

"we are anti Islam because it oppresses women!"

"We will dismiss and ridicule Muslim women who say something that doesn't support what we already think!"

Ok

No. I just prefer it when people talk in good faith and don't sweep problems under the rug.

I live near a running path where two years ago(?) they tried to put up posters for the local Pride event which featured a hijabi woman front and centre two or three times before they conceded that that was not going to be allowed to stay put. Personally? I got the impression when it was all kicking off on Facebook that the chap putting up the posters was being deliberately inflammatory. The local Muslim posters were certainly not quite as tolerant in their responses as pp implied, either, but you know, let's pretend that there is no conflict brewing there.

OK. Off to work. I wish everyone a day free of dickheads. I'm sure we all wish we were at the seaside swimming, be it skinny dipping or in a voluminous black swaddling even Queen Victoria would baulk at.

Why? The op was watching a family and wondered why the women weren't joining in. That lead her to wonder whether there were cultural reasons. Pretty normal if you ask me 😅

Thankyou. Homosexuality is prohibited for Muslims? How does that work, then, for Muslim homosexuals?

I do believe that socio - economic backgrounds goes some way to explaining the totally different interpretations of Islam. The poster, sonK ( ?sorry, I forgot username) , gave a really interesting, positive insight into how she incorporates religion into her daily life, but it seems at contrast to how Islam is practiced in the inner cities, where I grew up and have witnessed first hand oppressive, restrictive and often intolerant interpretations.

You are welcome : )

We believe God is the most merciful so even if something is haram whether it be drinking alcohol or homosexuality, it is not for us to judge who is a good Muslim and who is a bad Muslim.

Intent and good deeds are the deciding factors and only God can judge who is a bad Muslim and who is a good Muslim.

Simply being gay and also Muslim does not mean God hates you; homosexuals who believe in Islam are still Muslim

The only sin in Islam that there is no mercy for which is outlined in the Qur'an is not believing in God (being an Atheist)

Yet even then, if an atheist decides to believe in God before their time - even a second before they die, then they have mercy and God will take into account their good deeds verses bad deeds in deciding whether they go to heaven or hell.

It's very complex but in Islam we believe anyone of a sane mind will be judged on every single thing they do and the intent; even the smallest act of kindness is considered a good deed - this could be smiling at a stranger and saying hello.

Similarly things considered such as trivial for example gossiping with the intent to cause harm and bully someone is a major sin because of the cause and effect (suicide, self harm etc.)

And that is the consensus in all religions if you think about it really; if you accept the religion, then you believe the after life and God will consider you for heaven or hell depending on your deeds and character.

We believe everyone in Islam is a sinner, just different sins.

Punishable by death in Iran, Saudi Arabia and other places

(By stoning)

Iran and Saudi Arabia are not genuine Islamic countries - the religion is being used as a mere tool.

A lot of Muslims like myself believe it is to control people and as a steppingstone for Saudi Arabia’s crazy and unrealistic imperialist dreams, but that's a whole other debate I am not going to get into.

Yes they have capital punishment for homosexuality - this is Shari'a law (a law created during the 6/7th century - I think) which Iran and Saudi Arabia are not even practicing justly in the first place - they are interpreting it their own way to suit their agenda.

It's very complex and I do not have enough knowledge to explain this well without it getting confusing!

Simply the leaders using capital punishment as a crime for homosexuality are being unjust; the irony is they are using their free will to impose capital punishment but ignoring the fact that Islam needs free will to work - you cannot impose Islam on anyone, you cannot even force women to wear the headscarf, a woman has to do it because she believes in dressing that way and wants to.