Muslim women who dress modestly...

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If you're at the beach and you want to paddle in the sea, are you able to roll up your trousers? Genuinely wondering as I saw a muslim family on the beach today having great fun. The kids were paddling in the sea. The women weren't but this question sprung in my head.

Social services would not be interested at parents sending their child to stay with granma for a while, parents can choose where their child should stay.

Oh I’ve lived for a long time in Birmingham - I know a lot of Muslims thanks. I’ve seen them fall in love with one person and then be told that they couldn’t marry them it had to be their friends son. I’ve seen them unable to fully partake in society because they were discouraged from learning English, I’ve seen them excluded from things because they’re women, have totally different wardrobes for when they’re away from families. In fact one of my friends got married then immediately regret it as she had been forced into it. Her knew husband destroyed her life and her family had to pay him alot of money..

You see I have lived in a heavily Muslim community, I know exactly what it’s like - no need to feel sorry for me at all.

Ummm, I beg to differ. Social services would be very concerned about moving children/ young adults abroad forcefully against their will.

The bit about religion - you are aware of the major world religions, and you are saying that they have no place in modern society? That people should not be allowed to follow a religion and follow their religion's traditions and rules?

Did I misunderstand you?

The bit about history and christianity shaping much of our (UK) cultural and historical environment is true, but that isn't what you said - or did I misunderstand what you meant?

Just to correct your thinking on nuns vs Muslim women - I think your distinction is wrong and you don't understand the Muslim religion well. No idea about whether you understand nuns or not too.

The fact that you regard as a decent parent someone that is OK with their 15-16 year olds drinking and having sex tells everything

tells what? The age of sexual consent is 16.

Plenty of examples here where teens go live with their father/granma/aunty so they get away from bad company, so what's the issue there?

Ive never heard of this as being normalised as a threat for bad behaviour.

It's definitely not normal to make threats about deporting your kids (!) or sending them to relatives (all of whom are working professionals and would be wholly nonplussed to receive a kid on their doorstep LMAO) in this country.

It's normal to make threats like "I'll have your guts for garters" or "If you eat any more cheesy wotsits, you'll turn into one" or maybe, if you're a real psychopath, "All it takes is ONE phone call to Santa...

Not Islam
whatever you describe is honestly not Islam
I don’t understand which bit you don’t quite understand

these are cultural practices

living in Birmingham means nothing

I CHALLENGE you to actually study rather than look at these Muslims who practice culture rather than the true faith
and call it Islamic

your not educated on the faith
You don’t understand the faith
you don’t believe in the faith

I ask you kindly to at least look into the true beliefs of what Islam says on all the matters mentioned above so you can clarify these misconceptions
I wish you nothing but peace

goodbye

That's exactly NOT what the OP is saying

Seen it in real life. No issue at all.
Why would there be, its parents responsabilità and parent choice.
Ask them if u don't believe me.

It's not an odd thing to ponder.

I have random "what if's" all the time

But there are people who assume you must have darkness in your heart and that you must have a nefarious reason for asking a simple question.

Innocence and innocent thoughts seem distant memories

It may be the age of consent, but the fact that you do not understand how that would be completely unacceptable to Muslim parents for their children shows your lack of understanding of different people.
For you a 15 year old drinking is normal, for us is very wrong and not something I would allow my children to do, akin to maybe you finding your child doing drugs

When they're adults and living by themselves they can do what they want, but I can't allow that behaviour and call myself a responsible parent.
If that means they go sneak out like some teens do, then that's an undesirable behaviour and I would have to use the same parenting that anyone would, like you would if your child was say, skipping school, or taking drugs.

So come on then, educate me and tell me why all these Muslims are wrong. Show me where in the Quran a Muslim woman should be treated equally to a man with all the same rights and freedoms as a man. Show me where a woman can marry multiple men, show me where it says a woman can divorce as easily as a man, show me where it states a woman has. Equal rights over her children, show me where a man is equally restricted regarding mixing with women, with what he wears.

I’ll Happily listen to that information. I think most people would be interested to listen

But that’s the thing, in the UK it is a normal part of society. You have been saying that Muslim parents aren’t any different, so which is it.

Have you been lobbying to force nuns to wear normal clothes and get rid of the habit and veil?

Are you joking? No one messes with nuns, I.e. the brides of Christ. You really don't want to piss off the father in law...

Im reading the qur’an at the moment. A few pages in and I’m reading that women are dirty on their period and do not go near them until they are clean.

nice.

Muslim parents aren't any different in that we want to raise our kids with the boundaries and values we believe in.
You ll find plenty of parents in the UK with different values, some will find it fine to feed baked beans and chicken nuggets to their young kids, others will not.
You can't dictate what's normal for other people.
Moving somewhere doesn't make something wrong become a right.

You mean you don't want anyone to raise the subject of Muslim women's miserable lives.

I saw a Stacey Dooley doc on Ultra Orthodox Jews in London and they thought the same thing. Husbands wouldn't sleep in the same bed as their wives on their periods because they were seen as unclean. Maybe that's just a general really religious thing?

A quick Google actually tells me that the Bible says the same, she will be 'unclean' for 7 days and anyone who touches her until evening.

Nice.

The Abrahamic faiths are all very similar, particularly in their view of women

No, far from it.

Also regarding post above, its not unusual at all for parents to send children to be cared for by relatives in other countries, particularly if they want to get them away from bad influences, this isnt unsual in Caribbean heritage famiies and some African families that I have worked with although I havent seen it in families from the ME or the Indian subcontinent Im sure it happens here also.

Social Services wouldnt be interested in this at all, a parent decides who takes on the care of their child

Judaism and both its main bastard offshoots, Christianity and Islam, are knee-deep in misogyny.

How am I the one failing to understand “different people” when you are the one who wrote this:

The fact that you regard as a decent parent someone that is OK with their 15-16 year olds drinking and having sex tells everything

It’s you that made the absolute statement about what constitutes a “decent” parent , not me.
You might not be ok with it, that’s fine, but lots of parents are, and why does that mean they are not decent parents?
Surely it’s you who are being intolerant and judgemental of parents who are different to you?

But it can make something considered to be right to be very wrong indeed.

Even if the daughter had her passport confiscated by her parents, and was taken abroad against her will and forced to marry? This wouldn't be a concern?