Muslim women who dress modestly...

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If you're at the beach and you want to paddle in the sea, are you able to roll up your trousers? Genuinely wondering as I saw a muslim family on the beach today having great fun. The kids were paddling in the sea. The women weren't but this question sprung in my head.

No, like the other poster you are mixing up two things. No, oppression is not acceptable, inhumane force and punishment is not acceptable.

That does not mean that Muslim and other women of other religions never choose to cover up.

Two different issues. You are right to protest against women not being allowed a religion or being inhumanely treated or treated less than equal. You are not right to say women are not allowed to choose to cover up or dress modestly.

@modestsometimes I'm not harassing anyone - I'm giving my opinion - which is that the defence of women being treated equally and that includes wearing what they want and it is well known that many women do not wear this clothing through free choice so I will call out bullshit when I see it.

And whilst we're on the topic of judging - I don't appreciate Muslim men and women judging me for wearing western clothes in a western society and so this idea of "modesty" becomes all encompassing - so no, I don't accept it's a free choice.

I feel like modest/immodest is more judgemental whereas revealing describes what's actually happening.
I'd only use it in reference to actually revealing clothing - bum, boobs, willy etc actually out and and not covered at all, and if it's in a place where it's legal (eg topless on a beach) then it's not my really concern tbh. I am not keen on scrunch bum leggings either, mainly for hygiene reasons, but I wouldn't judge a person if they like them.

"So as long as they're not wearing tight and revealing clothes (men and women) they can wear what they want."

Most clothes become tight looking when wet.

The choice aspect is a difficult one too.
How can any of us determine how free our choices really are or whether they're affected, perhaps unknowingly, by external factors?

I make a lot of "choices" so as not to offend the accepted norms of my family and social circle. I'm not sure it's a choice so much as fitting in with what's expected of me. Deviating from it would seem deliberately weird, which might explain my lack of desire to do so.

Oh, so you think in Iran Iraq and Algeria women don't work in shops and offices? Oh my, I don't think this thread is enough for all the educating you need
Doesn't take long to Google pictures of those countries.
Western fashion is usually brought in by colonisers as previously said, ever heard of France in Algeria? As one example

@modestsometimes ah yes that makes complete sense now you’ve explained it.

So we have a group of extremely visibly oppressed Muslim women wearing covered up clothes through no choice of their own (and posters on this thread can’t claim they are choosing it - as they are with other examples given - as these poor women’s oppression is so obvious) and then we also have a completely different group of Muslim women wearing covered up clothes but those women definitely chose to do it themselves with no outside influences at all and the fact that they are all Muslim women is just a total coincidence. Got it.

Well this 100%. We are still in the land of white saviours - coincidentally when all the live aid at 40’stuff is kicking round.

it’s a good question. If I’m walking a long the beach I might on the spur of the moment go for a paddle - I’d be sad for and person who could do this because of their sex.

Your comment reeks of racism and ignorance about other cultures. You couldn’t care less about Muslim women. There are good and bad people in every culture.. there are drunk druggie white men who wouldn’t mind selling their girlfriends for drugs similarly like there are controlling Muslim men who force their women to cover. On the other hand there are solid provider and protector of their families too who are both white black and Muslims so it please broaden your horizons!

.....based on how this thread has gone, I surely cannot be the only one who realises it's true intent now, can I?

Actually it is very much other people’s business. Is there a group of men in the uk who are preventing women doing something because of their sex. If the answer to this is yes, it is every woman’s business here.

Look at all the assumptions and judgements on this thread though.

@Morgenrot25 People are allowed their opinions. Do you feel the need to shut them down?

I’d honestly be more worried about the ability to help your child should anything happen in the sea if you are wearing a lot of material such as an abaya

From the start I've had my suspicions about the intent of this thread. Nothing has changed.

Yes.

Quite! No self awareness whatsoever.

Yes, I already mentioned safety.
Wear full coverage swim gear, in a swim safe colour, if you like, but never enter water in clothes that will make you less safe (unless it's a life or death no option situation). This advice applies to anyone.

Haven't you? Ok then.

I go to an aqua fit class. A Muslim lady had swimwear on covering her arms and legs. The pool attendant told her she couldn’t get in the pool, dressed like that! I reported him, I was disgusted.

To you, perhaps.
Again, tschüss.
Feel free to ignore anything I write from now on, instead of constantly derailing with attempts at insults. 🫣🫣🫣🫣

Pot, kettle, black!!! 😂😂😂.
Or do you prefer 🫣🫣🫣.

@Morgenrot25 Enlighten us? Is healthy debate a bad thing?