To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

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I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

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100% . Don't put them up in hotels and stop giving them money, that we pay via taxes.

If all the freebies stop, the boats will stop.

Look at all the threads on this topic. While mumsnet is not the "real world" we should listen to women's voices and not deny their lived experience.

Well, any that are here illegally can be put to use in the armed services.

Draft them into the armed services for a set period and if they do well and serve a minimum period, gain language and career skills, let them apply again woth a new skill set and a heavily weighted "accept" application.

If unwilling, Detention Centre. No more middling ground. You've failed asylum - be useful or try somewhere else or be idle until you've decided.

I see. A load of Reform supporters flood the forum with anecdotes and that's your evidence.

Ok so no limit on numbers arriving?

How many do you think would come here

It’s mostly men and mostly Muslim - how anyone thinks that’s ok

This is actual failed asylum seekers (not real ones that arent fussed about chicken nuggets as they are facing real persecution).

The country of origin (assuming that can be determined). And aid is only given if the government accepts its nationals back.

Rwanda or any other country that can be paid to take them. This will be a deterrent so hopefully only for a finite period. There will be many such countries. Labour just need to get on with finding them. They will have to eventually.

So training up large numbers of "muslim" men to be violent is the new solution....

Who would oversee this? bear in mind the Armed forces have no spare capacity...

Detention centre? where? for how long? who would pay?

Maybe this is the new Reform policy?

A third of all immigrants entering Europe want to come to the U.K. -on the news during Macrons visit.

Are you a woman, Milo?

I agree that the numbers being faced dealt with in Kent have caused the local authority financial problems. This is due to rules which say the receiving area has responsibility for minors. There have been agreements to move them throughout the U.K. which has eased the pressures a little, but more needs to be done.

It’s the same kind of situation which sees e.g Turkey having to deal with nearly 70% of refugees from Syria, it being the first “safe place” they come to. I’m glad you agree that it is unfair for the first port of call for refugees should be shouldering the entire burden and the rest of us should do our bit.

As for “different values of women and girls” remind me who perpetrates the vast majority of assaults on women and girls in the U.K.?

I've just had to take out a loan for to cover essential dental work and for new specs as my eyes have got worse. I'm sure I read somewhere that illegal immigrants get these paid for by taxpayers. How on earth is that fair?

I'm interested in your evidence, not answering personal questions.

Well there is chat about the UK needing to train people up and have national service. It's probably a good deterrent. Also if there is a war you can't really have our army setting off leaving all the young male asylum seekers here.....

Absolutely put them in detention centres with the very basics of food and no money or anything else they're given. Ripping their fucking passports up, then claiming they don't know where they've come from? They're lying there to begin with. I don't want people who are lying to come into the country. They can fuck off. They hang around in large groups here and ogle women. I saw one just this morning doing it and I've had experience and seen them plenty of times chatting up women who clearly aren't interested, yet they won't take no for an answer. Fuck having men who have little respect for women in this country. They also clearly don't care what happens to their wives and female relatives back in their 'dangerous' countries of origin. We already have enough of these men. Shut the borders. Our island is too small. Keep them in the bigger countries.

Thought so.

Small Boat crossings have increased dramatically over the past five years. From around 8k, to a predicted 40k for this year alone.

Best estimates (because we only know about the people that are known to the authorities) are that approximately 170k people have entered the UK illegally in just the past few years. To put that in context, it's enough people to fill a city the size of Oxford.

The PM's plan to send back 600 a year is laughable.

If something isn't done soon, and I mean very soon. Current rates of illegal migration into the UK will be 200k per year by 2030.

We would need to build another Oxford, each and every year, just to provide enough housing for such people.

The birth rate for "British" women is already well below replacment. Discounting migration, at current fertility rates, the "British" population WILL die out within just 75 to 100 years. That's how close we as a culture are to becoming literally extinct.

Historically, no country has managed to reverse a fertility rate that was below 1.9. Some are in the process of trying, but there are no records of any long term, sustained population growth, emerging from such a low birth rate.

Now, back to the boats. Unless the fertility rate in the UK is reversed, and brought back to replacment rate, the only way the UK, as a country, can survive, is through migration. We are facing a stark choice. Either the Government puts historically unprecedented legislation into place, that financially and culturally encourages an equally unprecedented increase birth rates. Or we accept that migration is needed, and will have to be embraced and encouraged by "British" people, in order that the UK continues to exist as a country, whatever the resulting culturally identity might be.

For those of us who considers themselves as "British" in the traditonal sense, and who are against migration, illegal or otherwise, you need to accept that the "British" culture you are determined to protect is already in the process of extinction. It's a mathematical certainty that this will happen.

So, what to do now . .

Ditto - as usual you and your chums are making stuff up to suit your agenda.

"Many such countries"

Rwanda would accept only 1000 per year, there are no such countries.

Aid taken away? so the poor and starving die, driving the push factor to leave for Europe.........

Do you think somewhere like Iran or Afghanistan is going to give a fuck about about lost UK aid.....

Oh yes, brilliant idea. Ask the chief of the armed services what he thinks of that.

There was discussion about why U.K. hasn’t picked up and moved forward with manufacturing and production since Covid - like the rest of Europe /I think there is a link to our uncontrolled, uncontrollable,unwanted immigration -psychologically our country isn’t ’British‘ as we must welcome all these incomers, we are paying billions for the privilege, we have NO say as the electorate we must accept them with a smile or we are at risk from the Britrish justice system.
Psychologically it is having an effect - we feel disenfranchised , no gov we vote in does anything.
in desperation people are turning to Farage. Or young people are emigrating
And the Gov stumbles on

We haven't really tried to find a country let's face it. And even 1000 would be a deterrent. If you are a young male economic illegal migrant with no nefarious intent in the UK (in which case you will have other fish to fry when you get here) then the risk of being one of those 1000 might mean you don't ask your mum and dad to stump up the thousands of pounds you need to pay the people smugglers.

I have posted this on a different thread but this is even more relevant on this one: the boats are a political distraction from the real existential threats we are facing.

1. It is not France job to police OUR borders. They are doing it because we have agreements in place and because WE trashed the previous agreements in place when we were EU members. It's all got to be rebuilt pretty much from scratch and it's a frustrating nightmare. Whether we like it or not, we have to follow international law and Farage knows that full well. He won't say though because his priority is to score cheap points against Starmer.
2. This whole thing really is massive political trolling from the ultra nationalist right who have no plan besides selling us for parts to Trump's US - frankly that has to be said. Reform are not being serious here.

And this is the bit I posted on another thread earlier:
I also think the level of reporting in this country has been steadily sinking and is now exclusively pandering to a populist agenda. For example, the absolutely groundbreaking partnership in nuclear defence between the UK and France has barely got a mention anywhere when it's in fact the most significant strategic move in literally decades. Instead, what was plastered all over the Fail? Speculations about the Macrons' marriage and stupid jibes about an open car boot not even worthy of a 7 year old. The Torygraph only banged on about the small boats. And what were the questions asked by British journos at the press conference? All about the small boats. That was it. Has NF made any comments on defence? Nope. He was out in the Channel whingeing about - guess what?- the boats again. Why? because it's political trolling and a massive distraction from the real questions to which he does not have any answers!
When are the facts ever highlighted in the mainstream?
Thankfully they are available, so here's a bit of context re immigration:
Jan to June 2025: 21,000 arrivals by small boats. Assuming this continues on a steady pace and there are no peaks, we are looking at roughly 40,000 arrivals in 2025. Ok. Sounds like a lot but... overwhelmingly, immigration is driven by students (which our universities need!) and work visas (and... we need them!).
What does that tell us? That we need investment in BETTER services and infrastructures. Not slashing them a la Musk with a stupid chainsaw!
What's Reform got to say to that eh?
Image attached taken from Gov.uk: www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2025/summary-of-latest-statistics

@Quirksworkyou're right re a deterrent. Ie the way Aus do it.

The bottom line is that if the state does not do something about this then democracy will do its job and the people will ensure something is done by changes of Government as is happening all over where states have their heads in the sand about the issue. It is a crime to enter the UK illegally.