To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

[WhereIsMyJumper]

I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

We didn’t have the boats issue previously as migrants came in on Lorries. The reason they come in boats now is that we have been successful in pretty much shutting the lorry route down. It has nothing to do with Brexit. I’m formally immigration so do know what I’m talking about.

Another pointless gimmick.

The UK needs to get tougher on illegal immigration and return anyone who is caught crossing the channel. Use the army if needed.

Set up a processing centre in France and make it clear this is the only way to claim asylum, anyone who tries crossing will not have their claim heard.

I am left wing but I live on the Kent coast and I have enough of this shitshow.

Yes you’re right. Peak asylum claims 2002 pre Brexit.

France won't take them back and the government doesn't want to process claims outside the country.

Apparently the Dublin agreement on immigration when we were in the E.U. didn’t work either-there were just fewer migrants and they were in lorries

But pre Brexit there were more efficient ways to deal with this issue- for example data sharing was much more extensive and better coordinated.

There are no legal routes available to the migrants coming in by small boat.
this deal with France may provide one finally.

For a start let's stop paying the French until they actually do something helpful. Like switch on the search lights that we paid them to install.

It's in the interests of France to make this hard for us as it means we make concessions on other things like fish. Keir Starmer has just given in on fish but not asked for anything in return.

@MiloMinderbinder925

Being tough as I suggest means not basing policies on what the French want or don't want...it is about what is best for the UK.

This gov doesn’t. The next could with voting mandate.

They are economic migrants.
They are not asylum seekers as they come from France
So there is no way for them to enter legally using the asylum process.

You are on cloud cuckoo land if you think you can just dump people in other countries.

We will try to send some back. To where and how? Legally well be stopped again at great legal expense.

And we take some legal route in return.

We have no where to put people. We've used lord knows how many hotels at great expense as part of a chain. When they leave hotels where do they go? Almost certainly HMO if they're given leave to remain. Again you're paying for their rent and living until they get a job. And if they always need benefit support and then a pension that's fine.

This is a small number compared to the vast migration that just walks in and also takes housing and medical support and all those other facilities that are stretched beyond belief.

We are not food sufficient. We are not water sufficient. We do not look after our younger people who want to become nurses and doctors. We are working towards net zero meaning the energy we use is the most expensive on the planet. A perfect storm.

Oh, there are plenty coming in lorries still. It's just they are seldom counted because it's too hideously embarrassing at this point.

I remember swimming in Greece a number of years ago and we were told not to swim too close to a particular island because Albania would shoot on us. You know what? None of us felt like fucking around and finding out. As deterrents go, it isn't a bad one.

70% are given refugee status.

You said there were many such countries.... yet cannot name one.

The Tories searched high and wide and found only Rwanda, then failed to deport a single migrant.

Rwanda is also close to being at war with its neighbour, hardly a safe or reliable option.

No country is going to accept large numbers of criminal migrants - according to you - for exactly the same reasons we do not want them.

PNG & Nauru pretty much had no choice, being so heavily dependent on Australia.

The French are. If people have ripped up their passports how do we know they aren't even French citizens fed up with Macron?

Joke BTW. For the literal minded

Its 46% now.

Was 78% under the Tories.

Where are the failed ones stashed?

Starmer is truly useless. All his misplaced back slapping with Macron, he looks like a toady groveller. No backbone. We could end up returning one, getting three back if it is based on family members. No fan of Macron but he outmanoeuvres Starmer while appearing to assist. He just wants rid brutal as it sounds.

Macron is right though. It is why they want to be here rather than France, that being benefits financial or otherwise (health, food, acommodation. Poor maybe but better than a tent) and the legislative laxness around the gig economy. I previously turned a blind eye like many, but it cant go on.

Yet again, you're talking gibberish. You can't just dump people in France. That's not how reality works.

Coming in (illegally) from France means they are not in fear for their lives.

Same place Rishi put them....

Though at least Starmer has trebled deportations, now running at 30,000 in the last 12 months.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-office-smashes-targets-with-mass-surge-in-migrant-removals

Voila! The literal minded 🤣🤣🤣