To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

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I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

Isn't that part of what the one in one out returns policy would actually do though? One of the problems is there are absolutely no safe/regular ways to apply for asylum in the UK. The only way for many is to pay the gangs and take a very dangerous journey. Giving an alternative route, even if it has a low chance of success and introducing the risk you will be sent back if you take the boats option changes people's options and starts to incentivise people away from the gangs.

He should stop paying France £500,000,000 a year. All they are doing is facilitating the people traffickers. Macron is right about the U.K. being too generous, but equally, they have taken our money and don’t nothing with it. They’ve allowed the Pas-de-Calais to be ruined. The whole of Europe, including the U.K., need to cooperate on this, instead of weaponising undocumented migrants. They need to realise that protocols introduced after European Jews faced the Holocaust are not suitable for their current application. We don’t have the money or the space to assimilate all the people. The only answer is to take and share their biometric data and then send them all home. We should then offer temporary refuge to a manageable number of vulnerable people in relation to specific tragedies that target them. We should collect those people from the region, having already vetted them. But we have so many men who are not vulnerable to pay for that we can’t do this until they are all repatriated.

We need to make the UK a less attractive place for them to come. They are well informed and told exactly how to game our lax court system and maximise benefits. If we made life much harder for them they would be less inclined to come.

Australia, Poland, Hungary, Latvia...

Even Italy and Spain have tightened the rules.

@1457bloom exactly they can live like ghosts here straight into cash in hand jobs pizza places barbers etc and working illegally of course not paying tax ,go to a and e if they are ill because they can't sign at doctors etc we don't know who they are .

Bit pointless really but it meant that he could stand on his stage again

Lol

The boat people aren't "asylum seekers" as they come from a safe country, being France.

Macron is using this as a weapon against us in order to get concessions on fishing.etc rather than actually wanting to solve the issue. The timing probably isn't coincidental. Obviously Starmer The Great International Statesman has rolled over immediately and shafted us once again.

They aren't asylum seekers though. Not real ones.

I think it's better than anything the Tories managed to come up with during their 14 years.

We need a zero asylum policy. Maybe not forever, but for long enough to disrupt the business model of the traffickers and long enough to allow something of a reset.

Asylum applications need to be processed very quickly and the bar for acceptance needs to be extremely high, with no right of appeal.

I couldn't agree more. I'm actually fearful of what will happen if something isn't done to resolve this soon.

If we didn’t provide hotels and meals like France, and then a generous benefit system, there would be no incentive for the move from France to the uk.

Those lecterns look a bit Reformish, maybe it's an omen

Agree.

Well we will never know if Rwanda would have worked because Rishi Sunak took the bizarre decision to call the election before the first plane took off.

I bet Labour (or the successor government) will end up doing something very similar to Rwanda. This current arrangement with Macron is complete pants and isn't going to wash for the electorate in 2029. If any prospective government wants to win, properly reducing immigration of a legal and illegal type is the key.

I truly believe he hasn't got a plan to stop the boats. Everything the Government announce is piecemeal and tinkering around the edges. We get big announcements that they are going after the people smugglers, big announcements that they are targeting the boat suppliers and now we've had this new initiative. it will solve nothing.

They still accept 12,000 to 13,000 people on humanitarian grounds every year - if Starmer committed to that people online would be spitting with rage still.
The sending them back included settling 4 people in Cambodia at a cost of 55 million
The camps at Nauru etc are hugely controversial. While I can accept other people have stronger views on immigration than me, and that democracy means it's about what they want as much as who want everyone has lines they won't cross and that's a line for me. It would be for lots of people who you have to share this country with.
They are coming on boats too but the distance is much greater and the journey (even) more dangerous. So again the incentive structure is different and it's easier to detect and deter.

That said if we accepted 12000-13000 people annually through an offshore humanitarian applications process I think it would be easier to make a case for the harsher Australian methods. But people would never accept Starter doing those things - people on here are furious at the fact we are only exchanging asylum seekers. So even though Australia seems tougher it wouldn't be tough enough. So too harsh for people like me. Not harsh enough for people in this thread. Ruinously expensive. Less effective than it was for Australia.

What would you do with failed applicants?

France wont accept them back, often their country of origin wont either and in many cases, we cannot even fly in due to war.

So then what? Keep them in hotels?

Agreed. Also we have no ID cards and the English language. And unarmed police.

Agree there is an answer. It just has to be voted for

Why can’t he do a standoff with the French coast guards who send them over. They should just keep sending them back.

Also, I blame that channel 4 documentary that had people smuggled in a caravan or someone using a boat and the boat was the easiest. Before that show it was people coming in the back of vans.

Labour have been in power for a year now and not succeeded in reducing the boats. This is a political gift to the Reform Party.

Absolutely. I think some of the do gooders are just so brainwashed, so utterly brainwashed, that they don't realise other countries simply say "no". People respect them for it too. The UK has just been absolutely brainwashed by extreme left folk.

Why do we need to keep them just because the French have ushered them over here and then refuse to take them.back. We do have leverage (fishing etc). We just refuse to use it and roll over instead. Unlike the French who stick up for their country.