To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

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I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

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The people coming over will never contribute enough to even pay for themselves or their large extended families that the join them.

You do know that are not net contributors? Not a value judgement, just factually accurate.

I say again, define “safe”?

If that house has holes in the roof, is soaking wet, there’s very little food, and there are people outside who want to kick you in the teeth if you leave, how long do you stay there?

Starmer thinks controlling your borders is racist.

He’s just done what he’s always believed in. Open borders.

How shocking it is that you admit the area you live in has such little immigration, yet you seem so pro mass immigration. It really baffles the mind how you come to these conclusions despite not experiencing any negative effects from the former mentioned

I am generally pro-immigration, but I'm at a point now where I think all those coming on boats need to be removed and refused asylum.

We should not be prioritising helping people who have tens of thousands of pounds to pay criminal gangs to travel across continents (and are physically able to do so).

Putting it in the context of £130 each actually enrages me because it's a significant amount of money for a lot of families. Two adults paying that is equivalent to a club for a child, a good contribution to wrap around care, it covers new uniforms, healthy, non-upf food for their child.

It's outrageous that economic migrants, many of whom, even if accepted, ajd will never be a net contributor and will likely need benefits for a number of years to establish themselves, can just rock up in a leaky boat and fast track themselves to the front of (an admittedly long) application queue or just disappear into the anonymous Labour Market.

And tbh I think Labour have the last shot at dealing with this before people vote Reform in because people are sick of this issue now.

This plan looks completely dumb ass to me.

I don't know what the answer is, but unless I am missing something and this works spectacularly, I think a pp is correct, people are going to wash their hands of Labour.

Yup, agreed. Whichever party it is, they all WANT this. you could go down the conspiracy rabbit hole of questioning exactly why, but we'd all have a completely different theory.

Oh, how I'd love to live in your fluffy world of puppy dogs and rainbows

Oooooh the terrifying safety of France.

If they have the money to pay for the crossing I don’t see why they can’t foot the bill for wherever they end up staying once they get here. People are saying ‘they get less than £10 a week’ but forget that they obviously have money in the first place to pay the traffickers to ferry them over. We definitely need to make it less appealing to come to the UK and a good start would be zero handouts and no hotels, purpose built basic facilities which they can’t leave until they are processed because they’ll just slip away into one of the many barbers/car washes/nail bars etc. We have no idea who these people are or what crimes they have committed in their home country so until they can be checked they simply shouldn’t be allowed to roam around unsupervised. We have a high level of immigrants waiting to be processed in our area and it is very unnerving to be in certain areas after a certain time, people don’t and won’t realise this until they land up in their neighbourhoods though.

Like the money saved from paying the EU was going to be pumped into the NHS.

What exactly are Reform going to do?

It needs to be less attractive to come here and settle. (And before I say more - the hotels that migrants are put up in are absolutely dreadful and the food inadequate, so the whole “oh, we put them up in hotels” shtick doesn’t fly for me. I work in this sector.)

ID cards. It is incredibly easy to work cash in hand / undocumented in the UK.

Fast processing of arrivals, and assessment. That means money to the UKBA or whatever we term the border agency.

Effective deportation. Rwanda, France, x country - make a decision, ratify it, and let people understand that that will be the outcome if you are not genuine.

But the other side of the issue is what KS and government aren’t acknowledging right now - we have a falling birth rate and need more people. What’s being done to attract the right migrants?

None of that matters if the acceptance rate is as high as it is. The majority who claim asylum, get it. It’s almost guaranteed that once you are here, you will never leave.

And we don’t need more people, we need the ones who choose not to work and live on taxpayers dime, to be made to work. We can’t support the millions on welfare and more millions of incomers and their large families who don’t earn enough and never will earn enough to be net contributors. People get upset about this but it’s just simple math.

Rwanda agreed to take 500 to 1000 per year, up to a max of 5000 over 5 years.

How would that deter the remaining 98% ?

What would happen to that 98% ?

If the plan would have worked, Sunak would have had his GE in October, shown the boats had stopped and probably won the election.

We don't know if this new plan will work but surely its worth giving it a chance and not just writing if off before its even been agreed by the EU?

Why? I don't understand why we can't change the law? Why do we have to accept anyone who comes over here? Other countries turn them away and have stricter rules about accepting asylum seekers.

I’m not convinced this will work but they have to be seen to be doing something - record figures this year. I don’t think it’s enough of a deterrent.

Nigel Farage’s Brexit caused this issue. We didn’t have a small boat issue when we were in the EU. When will the media start loudly pointing this out?

Is it not breaking the law to enter a Country on a boat without any documentation?
If you support mass immigration you carry on paying towards it but people who don't shouldn't be putting a single penny towards it

Weird that so many can pay huge sums to people smugglers though ,does anyone think they are also slave masters who then trap them into work ?
Does anyone remember the macdonalds thing where slave masters took their pay ?
Nail salons ,Turkish barbers and all that stuff can be part of massive organised crime
I can't understand why such supposedly poor people can rustle up so much for this.

I also think a major reason they don't want to stay in France is because of the id cards.

They want to disappear into our black economy when here ,they may find that harder in France.

Which other countries do that?

@Yellowshirt we should automatically send people straight back without documents.

Maybe the Rwanda thing

Can't provide valid documents straight to Rwanda
Australia has a policy where if you try and enter by boat you immediately invalidate any claim .

France is a stunningly beautiful country with great food and culture .

@Namitynamename cross post , Australia