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To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

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WhereIsMyJumper · 10/07/2025 22:30

I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

Starmer says 'one in, one out' migrant deal with France to begin within weeks

He says small boats migrants will be returned to France, in exchange for asylum seekers who have not tried to enter the UK illegally.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

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SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 22:59

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 22:53

Course you only tell these 'stories' when provoked. You don't tell them to suit your agenda.

And this is precisely why I don't tell them. (I work somewhere that has mainly foreign born people) So I have a lot of stories trust me.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:01

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 22:59

And this is precisely why I don't tell them. (I work somewhere that has mainly foreign born people) So I have a lot of stories trust me.

I'm sure you do.

Quirkswork · 11/07/2025 23:03

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 22:58

Gosh, are you offended? What about free speech? I understand that facts are difficult for you to digest and you don't like engaging with them - you made that clear earlier.

Not offended at all. Just (slightly) intrigued at how someone can argue in a style guaranteed not to persuade anyone at all. Which is why I was musing idly about Russian bots. You crack on though. Don't mind me.

TopPocketFind · 11/07/2025 23:04

Stories about TB but begrudging asylum seekers' access to medical care.

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:06

User135644 · 11/07/2025 22:48

Its the tragedy of it that such anti-immigration rhetoric becomes widespread from people who aren't even anti-immigration. The story of the Kosovan and the Albanian and the anger of immigrants who give so much to the country, sums it up because they end up feeling lumped in with the freeloading chancers and criminals who our pathetic politicians and judiciary give everything to on a silver platter. One thing Brits do value is fairness.

The mood of the country is on a knife edge because of our gutless and incompetent governments and civil service.

You've hit the nail on the head. I don't wish to reveal how. But I do know a lot of immigrants (legal, professional jobs) and it's heartbreaking to see their anger and frustration at being lumped in one big vomitus with the "boat people". It's. Bloody ignorant too. Show me a Dr/dentist/nurse/lawyer/teacher/IT expert/ etc that's coming off those boats? No.thought not. Just freeloaders and drug dealers. All whilst the "good" "educated" ones are waving their placards at Dover, just so they don't look "racist" like us bigots 🙄. meanwhile, the rest of us are moaning In the staff room with our fellow hard working black African, brown Muslim, white eastern European professional colleagues. Believe me, we all think the same.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:06

Quirkswork · 11/07/2025 23:03

Not offended at all. Just (slightly) intrigued at how someone can argue in a style guaranteed not to persuade anyone at all. Which is why I was musing idly about Russian bots. You crack on though. Don't mind me.

And no one is persuaded by you either. The right wing circle jerk is always amusing.

Quirkswork · 11/07/2025 23:09

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:06

And no one is persuaded by you either. The right wing circle jerk is always amusing.

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar! Just an old proverb for you.

I'm afraid I don't understand your language. What is a "right wing circle jerk"? It sounds tricky?

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:11

TopPocketFind · 11/07/2025 22:31

If asylum seekers were allowed to work and contribute to the economy, you would be welcoming them?

Yes. So long as they have skill that are needed. And they live by our laws and respect our cultures. Why not ? Why would I have a problem with that ? If we're talking deliveroo and a drug hustle on the side and rapey behaviour towards 14yr olds in shorter skirts, then no.

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:12

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:01

I'm sure you do.

Are you accusing me of fabricating my stories?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:13

Quirkswork · 11/07/2025 23:09

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar! Just an old proverb for you.

I'm afraid I don't understand your language. What is a "right wing circle jerk"? It sounds tricky?

You'll know it when you see it, don't worry.

TopPocketFind · 11/07/2025 23:13

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:11

Yes. So long as they have skill that are needed. And they live by our laws and respect our cultures. Why not ? Why would I have a problem with that ? If we're talking deliveroo and a drug hustle on the side and rapey behaviour towards 14yr olds in shorter skirts, then no.

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Good to know.

So why call them freeloaders when they have no choice in the matter?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:14

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:12

Are you accusing me of fabricating my stories?

Someone on the Internet fabricating stories! I've never heard the like.

Quirkswork · 11/07/2025 23:15

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:13

You'll know it when you see it, don't worry.

Will it be sudden or will I get a warning of this right wing circle jerk? Is it like being on a BMX and doing a sudden turn? That's what I'm picturing.

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:16

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:14

Someone on the Internet fabricating stories! I've never heard the like.

Ok.here we have it readers: a lefty doesn't like my opinion that doesn't fit their narrative (equipped with real life examples) and decides it must be fabricated.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:17

Quirkswork · 11/07/2025 23:15

Will it be sudden or will I get a warning of this right wing circle jerk? Is it like being on a BMX and doing a sudden turn? That's what I'm picturing.

It's very common and happens often on immigration and disability benefits threads, but can be spotted on others too.

pinkglitter12 · 11/07/2025 23:17

To use an old saying " starmer can't arrange a piss up in a wetherspoons".
He's always trying to look like hes doing something whilst being utterly embarrassing.
Licking trumps back crack whilst Trump sniggers at his affectionate little obedient dog
Who is he?, What is he, this little man made of plasticine.
Smarmy starmer

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:18

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:16

Ok.here we have it readers: a lefty doesn't like my opinion that doesn't fit their narrative (equipped with real life examples) and decides it must be fabricated.

That's correct.

Quirkswork · 11/07/2025 23:18

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:16

Ok.here we have it readers: a lefty doesn't like my opinion that doesn't fit their narrative (equipped with real life examples) and decides it must be fabricated.

He's been on about cycling stunts too.

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:18

TopPocketFind · 11/07/2025 23:04

Stories about TB but begrudging asylum seekers' access to medical care.

I know for a fact these particular people are able to access medical care. Trust me. I know.

But active TB and alcoholism makes one a 'compliant with medication' patient, not.

TopPocketFind · 11/07/2025 23:20

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:18

I know for a fact these particular people are able to access medical care. Trust me. I know.

But active TB and alcoholism makes one a 'compliant with medication' patient, not.

But you have a problem with them accessing medical care, you have stated so multiple times.

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:20

Quirkswork · 11/07/2025 23:18

He's been on about cycling stunts too.

Pardon?

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:21

TopPocketFind · 11/07/2025 23:20

But you have a problem with them accessing medical care, you have stated so multiple times.

Show me . I'll wait.

Quirkswork · 11/07/2025 23:23

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:20

Pardon?

Milo's been talking.about "right wing circle jerks" which I THINK is a BMX move. A sudden turn of the bicycle wheel or something. It's hard to tell. Otherwise I can't think what he could mean, him being so polite and reasonable usually.

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:24

Quirkswork · 11/07/2025 23:23

Milo's been talking.about "right wing circle jerks" which I THINK is a BMX move. A sudden turn of the bicycle wheel or something. It's hard to tell. Otherwise I can't think what he could mean, him being so polite and reasonable usually.

Oh. I'm lost 😅

SquishedMallow · 11/07/2025 23:25

MiloMinderbinder925 · 11/07/2025 23:18

That's correct.

Well. What I'm saying is true. You don't have to believe it.

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