To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

[WhereIsMyJumper]

I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

Lol

don't forget Albania and Eritrea, somehow we owe them as well

mmm... I thought that I added an opinion in response to thread title. Is an opinion = an argument? I thought argument = "You're wrong and here's why" statements.

I guess argument in the 2nd definition below is what I said, fair enough. A set of reasons were given for my rationale, I suppose.

So what I'm totally not interested in is heated debate and yelling each other. Can I at least claim to have posted statements that weren't heated or yelling at someone?

Of course. Especially Eritrea. We need to bow down and take a knee and whip ourselves because of behaviour of distant ancestors and be punished eternally. (Seems to be working well for us doesn't it ? Gained loads of respect and better relations) 😒

Give it try, not sure what your grounds for seeking asylum are but I am sure you can come up with something.

Would you like to borrow a lilo?

You're making an argument by giving a subjective opinion. I would have thought.

I can remember people banging on about it in the 1960s, when they objected to immigrants from the West Indies, and the early 70s, when Uganda deported thousands of Asians, many of whom had British passports and consequently had the right to settle in the UK.

@smallglassbottle absolutely agree with you. How everyone else can’t see this is beyond me.

Yes please 😁

But I'd need to be guaranteed that the country I'll be going to will have nice soft, lax laws that will guarantee I'll be rescued by them and put in a hotel ..

I was cheering the TdF on yesterday as it passed though my part of Normandy @Alexandra2001

Yes, we lost the Dublin agreement "right to return" when we left the EU. Classic case of be careful what you wish for.

So France is unsafe ? Belgium? Italy ? Portugal ? Spain ? Netherlands? I could go on.

Why cross that channel ? That dangerous choppy watered channel ?

One reason: lax rules that are easily manipulated and free money and accommodation

This was so low in numbers it barely means much. Plus we took more than returned.

The majority of asylum seekers do stop in the first safe country.

Yes please! I'll join you, especially if I'm guaranteed a job in the black market, no questions asked deliveroo gig.

@SquishedMallow

You are correct Rwanda is in Africa, a landlocked country in the middle and 'Christian'
So you can't know much about Iran, Iraq, Albania, Afghanistan which you seem to think are in close proximity and are are culturally more similar to Rwanda than the UK. Even Eritera is around 1500 miles from Rwanda, hardly close neighbours.

Exactly!

Yes, genuine asylum seekers and not economic migrants like the ones coming to the UK, and not just by boats but by doing mickey mouse university degrees with no intention of ever leaving. Amongst many other methods

In 2024, 16% of immigrants were refugees and asylum seekers.

But yes, they are the reason you can't get a doctor's appointment of a job as deliveroo driver

Really ....

If you believe statistics without critical thought ..... research and statistical data can say anything you want it to.

Official government data but if you have a different source, feel free to share

Sold! There's only one island where this seems possible...I've looked into it , and it's the UK. There's lots of extremely naive people who will swallow everything you tell them too : you really don't have to try too hard. Lets go !

On dear, talk about missing the point. If your referring to my deliveroo comment, it's not that they're ' taking away jobs', it's that asylum seekers are not supposed to be working at all! But take a walk down your local high street and this might not tally up with the reality. Didn't chris philp expose all this a while back?

Statistics should be taken with a pinch of salt anyway. You can make a bunch of statistics say anything you want them to say. All depends on the data collected and how the questions are worded.

Let's go! Almost guaranteed asylum being granted too, not such high acceptance rates in other places I note.