To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

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I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

I am just explaining why people choose to come to the UK, see the articles I linked earlier

As for current citizens being replaced, what on earth are you on about? Is this the Great Replacement conspiracy theory you are spouting?

You know we would be sailing through 12 miles of French waters, without permission....

Shallow waters? you mean the beach.... so landing craft.... and it would need to be done with armed troops, you can't control 10s of young men with a whistle.

Do you honestly think this might go unchallenged? does anyone outside of the odd Reform MP think this is a good idea ?

And I'm sure you realised that I was talking to the poster about Farage as an MP.

No I don’t want to see tents and shanty towns here, no one would. Detention centres swiftly dealing with illegals is a better idea

This was May 2025 so it’s not like costs are going down under Labour

Accommodation for asylum seekers is expected to cost more than £15bn, three times the amount the Home Office originally estimated, according to the latest figures.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/07/uk-asylum-seeker-accommodation-costs-over-decade-triple-to-15bn-nao#:~:text=Accommodation%20for%20asylum%20seekers%20is,three%20companies%20over%20a%20decade.

So basically Prisons? our present prison pop. is 90,000, so you want the same built again and staffed... we've over 100k migrants....

Thats 115 new prisons.. costing how much? built where? staffed by whom?

It’s not that they’re not able to work -they’re not allowed to work- that’s the difference!

Never said they were going down, just pointing out that it was under Sunak that costs spiralled to the highest in the western world.... as you helpfully pointed out, thankyou.

That would be the best solution, however we are not going to be able to do it!
Starmer should have told Macron,no more money if you can’t do what we pay you to do. He also should have told Macron to secure his borders so migrants can’t get to Calais. Starmer is weak and fawning. How the French must be laughing at us!

I think the key words in the pp are ‘swiftly dealing’.

Not really since as I’ve just linked costs are going up under Labour.

On the deal we’ll see. If it doesn’t happen the way Labour wants then we’ll probably get more hardline suggestions at next GE.

The French can’t secure their borders

That's incorrect the Channel is international waters except from 3 miles off our coast and 3 miles off the French coast.

No not the beach. They should be escorted back to the French side (just outside the 3 miles if we don't wish to declare war)

At this point I don't really care if the French have a problem. This is a national emergency and it needs tackling right now with actions not words or futile slogans of 'smashing gangs'

The Greeks were chucking immigrants overboard and not a dickie bird was said by the EU.

Or the more likely reason of freebies.

The costs didn’t virtually triple in a year. It looks very much as if there was a huge underestimate in 2019 and the contracts were all very poorly written. As government contracts tend to be.

It's a moot point, is what I'm trying to say, one which has no logic but is thrown around as another attempt to halt discussion. We should all feel somehow guilty about the great British empire, which none of us or our ancestors, had a hand in unless you have a lineage stretching back to the ruling classes.

Yes, good point about France’s borders being porous.

I know in Italy the problem is boats setting off from Africa and either making for Lampadusa (nearest Italian point) or “rescue” boats actually picking migrants up from African coast. The migrants do not want to stay in Italy: they make their way up through Europe and destroy their papers.

I think Europe will be increasingly powerless to deal with this. The UK though is weak in that we have no ID cards and an out-of-control black market. Small companies are cutting staff, yet you see 15 blokes working in car washes/barbers. If they’re all on minimum wage with NI contributions then I’ll eat my hat.

Most do stay in the first safe country.

Yes, exactly, not allowed to work but they are! The government is suddenly surprised that this is happening and are rushing through facial recognition checks to determine work eligibility.

It’s a major issue and one that many have tried to repress discussion on. It’s pretty much a big deal of the next few decades.

Huge profits, successful SM campaigns and built on convention which can’t be touched (atm anyway).

I wonder why the gov said they had full support when five EU countries spoke up on it. I don’t blame them, as any restructuring to ‘family connections’ leaves first entry countries in a bad way. Their electorates won’t go with that.

I love that you're using the fact I'm "stating the obvious" as a sly insult when my post literally says that we agree.

Thank you. Unfortunately I don't have his direct line. But the former head of MI6 thinks its a great idea.

www.politicshome.com/news/article/former-mi6-chief-fastrack-citizenship-immigrants-join-army

Err thats not exactly what you suggested though is it?

He also said "Could migrants be offered fast track citizenship..." and these would be migrants who had already been granted asylum.

So yet another "pull factor"

There was a criminal investigation into the sinking of that trawler, which was more cock up than deliberate.

EU also launched an investigation into its part in the sinking... for what that is worth.

What would you drop them off into? over the side onto that raft? all at gun point.

What happens when the French just tow them back? as they almost certainly would?

You would cause an international incident of huge proportions, 2 NATO members at near war with each other.... the EU would of course take sides.

No, far better to just tow the boats out to sea quietly, at night, sink them and drown the migrants, word would soon get back to Calais, we'd deny it of course, job done... is that what you want the UK to become?

Alex have you actually offered any solutions yourself yet